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MRacerxdl
Tue Sept 23 2008, 10:04AM Print
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Hi all, I was noticed here, that my IGBT's blow every time I get a ground strike, the arcs gets orange when it gets to the ground.
I think it blow because current, but when I was in the IRC, setting up my drsstc, some people have helped me (I dont remeber the nickname) how to make the CT work. Ok CT is working but the Primary current is VERY low, because it only starts at 30VDC Bus and with 10k Bleeding resistor with a 1:1000 CT.
I dont have a scope so I cannot measure the current, but I was thinking about,
My Primary cap is 50nF and the Inductor is 8.5uH, its a small coil.

Is there other way to I measure the primary current? I want to make a overcurrent protection but I dont know the current.
(Its at perfect tune, I have measured, the primary is running at 244Khz so the secondary.)

Thanks!
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Dalus
Tue Sept 23 2008, 02:05PM
Dalus Registered Member #639 Joined: Wed Apr 11 2007, 09:09PM
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That person was me cheesey Glad to hear you got it working. I think that your feedback signal isn't strong enough. At what input voltage do your igbt's start to blow.
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MRacerxdl
Tue Sept 23 2008, 03:56PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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It blowed at maximum power, 128Vac mais with doubler. It gets 300VDC at Main bus. But all the times that I have tested my drsstc it was blowed when it striked to ground many for some long time.
About the signal, that is correct, I think primary current is too low when running at low power. But actually it was worked perfectly until started to get strikes to a grounded target.

PS: Thanks for the help Dalus! That is the first time that I get the CT working :D
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Dalus
Tue Sept 23 2008, 08:04PM
Dalus Registered Member #639 Joined: Wed Apr 11 2007, 09:09PM
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I think you will need a way to measure the current to diagnose the problem. But i can't think of a way to measure the peak current in the primary without an oscilloscope.
Your IGBT's could also die from overvoltage, are you using transient voltage suppressors?
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MRacerxdl
Tue Sept 23 2008, 08:31PM
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Yes, I am using two 1.5KE220CA in series, in parallel with each IGBT, that limits the voltage to 440V Max, so its not overvoltage.
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Dalus
Tue Sept 23 2008, 08:38PM
Dalus Registered Member #639 Joined: Wed Apr 11 2007, 09:09PM
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What's the voltage on the gates? If it's to low your igbt would operate in the linear range causing it to burn a lout of power.
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MRacerxdl
Tue Sept 23 2008, 10:07PM
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15V clamped by two 15V Zeners. The drivers are with 15V Stabilized Power Supply. The GDT loses are near zero (I think) because I get a very high frequency core (VHF Range) lol

And the drivers arent heating.
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teslacoolguy
Tue Sept 23 2008, 10:37PM
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I would try to increase the gate voltage to 24v. The worst that can happen is well.... blow out your igbt so i think it is worth a shot.
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MRacerxdl
Tue Sept 23 2008, 10:54PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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I doesnt matter after 15V, the IGBT's saturates for complete with 15Vge, so More of that will make nothing of it. And I have a 18V peak at turn on, that the Zeners doesnt clamp because its too fast for it, more than 20 will blow the gate of igbt.
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Steve Ward
Wed Sept 24 2008, 04:10AM
Steve Ward Registered Member #146 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:21AM
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15V is OK if you run the IGBT within the peak current rating given in the datasheet. IF you exceed this rating, you will want more gate voltage to ensure the IGBT remains saturated, and does not de-saturate from the higher currents with insufficient gate charge. Look at the output characteristics vs gate voltage graphs to get a good understanding of how this works.

I suspect there is probably a grounding issue, or your setup simply isnt robust as it operates now.
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