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calculating cap size for a drsstc?

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teslacoolguy
Tue Aug 26 2008, 11:43PM Print
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I was wondering what the formula is for calculating that tank cap size for drsstc use? The secondary specs are 18" tall wound on 4.5" former with 30g wire.

Thanks.
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MRacerxdl
Wed Aug 27 2008, 02:34AM
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I think its like a common SGTC, that L1 * C1 = L2 * C2 but the resistive loses are more complicated in DRSSTC because it works with relative low voltages and very high peak currents (some get impressive 400A of peak on the primary)
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Steve Conner
Wed Aug 27 2008, 10:07AM
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Yes, the above is correct, but since L1 and C1 are two unknowns, you need one more equation, and here it is smile

Assuming you already know the resonant frequency of your secondary with toroid, and you've chosen your IGBTs, use the formula for impedance of a capacitor (Xc = 1/(2*pi*f*C)) to find C. Set Xc equal to 10 times your DC bus voltage divided by your IGBTs' rated current, set f equal to the resonant frequency of your resonator, then solve for C.

The voltage rating of the tank cap is 10 times the DC bus voltage, and if you set your OCD to the value you assumed above, you know it won't be overvolted. If you want to run the IGBTs above their rated current, decide what current you want and use that in the formula.

For a half bridge divide the DC bus voltage by 2. Heck, there may even be a factor of 4/pi in there but I just ignore it, the cap value isn't that critical, since you'll do final tuning with the primary tap point. Just mess with it until you get the amount of primary current that you assumed to start with.
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teslacoolguy
Wed Aug 27 2008, 11:25PM
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Ok. You kind of lost me on that mad . I have never really done these equations before so i am very new to this. Can you explain this in a little better detail? *starts scrounging for his notebook*
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MRacerxdl
Thu Aug 28 2008, 12:47AM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Basicly he says to you set the Capacitive Reactance for 10 times (VDC / IGBT Current) and use the F equal your coil frequency.

I only dont know one thing, the IGBT current is Nominal or Pulsed ?
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Steve Conner
Thu Aug 28 2008, 03:05PM
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Pulsed. Some people use 2x or 4x the pulsed rating for extra danger suprised

I won't explain how to read and rearrange formulas since you should know how to do that anyway, it's a vital skill in engineering.
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teslacoolguy
Thu Aug 28 2008, 05:55PM
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Ok now i under stand it pretty well. I came up with 66nf. Does that sound right for a 133khz resonator?

Edit: whoops... my calculations were off. does 0.15uf sound right?
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Mike
Fri Aug 29 2008, 10:31PM
Mike Registered Member #58 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:40AM
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Hmm, I am not quite sure, it sounds close but I totally forgot the formula... Maybe someone here can help.
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Dr. Resonance
Mon Sept 01 2008, 09:09AM
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JAVATC will allow you to explore a wide range of options with both pri cap and pri inductor.

After running you intial "test case" with perhaps a 10 turn primary and 0.15 uF cap value,
then check your coeff. of coupling. Adjust sec coil height and also pri-sec distance to
get a k value of around 0.16 for most solid state coils.

Then, play around with your cap size and see the number of primary turns required
to resonance it.
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Steve Conner
Mon Sept 01 2008, 11:51AM
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0.15uF sounds about right. My own DRSSTC worked fine with either 0.05 or 0.1, and it ran at about 220kHz.
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