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Linas
Fri Aug 22 2008, 07:56AM Print
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Hi, does those IGBT is good for 1000W DRSSTC ??
HGTG40N60A4 ??
thanks
and what Fr is normal for this IGBT (like 200KHz or 300KHz ??)
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Dr. SSTC
Fri Aug 22 2008, 08:08AM
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40n60 should be ok for a 1000watt however i'm no expert
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Shaun
Fri Aug 22 2008, 12:18PM
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40n60s are great for DRSSTCs! Although you may want to consider a lower drive frequency of ~100kHz.

But are they the brick version or the TO-247 version? Because the latter can have some cooling problems, however it will still work fine.
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Aug 22 2008, 01:23PM
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Yeah, i would go for lowest frequency possible. 100kHz is a good number to shoot for with these bricks.

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Timo
Sat Aug 23 2008, 12:22AM
Timo Registered Member #1538 Joined: Thu Jun 12 2008, 07:28PM
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Hi

The HGTG40N60A4 seems to be the TO 247 version. I guess what most people are referring to, when talking about “40N60”, might be the HGT1N40N60A4 / HGT1N40N60A4D. These come in the SOT 227 “mini-brick” package.
But because I never used them yet, maybe someone else knows better.
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Marko
Sat Aug 23 2008, 12:37AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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The problem is, SOT227 is very hard to get today for little people. Actually it's easier and cheaper silicon/cost to get CM300 and bigger bricks which are abundant on ebay!

One thing I'm interested about for drsstc's, what power levels can you guys generally attain with TO247 with use of sil pads?
I wouldn't think more than like 300W would be possible, but I may be wrong... 1000W doesn't sound realistic?


Only way to go with TO247 packages is separate isolated heatsink for each device and clamp mounting, which is rather complex in comparison to simply slapping 4 SOT227 packages onto a big heatsink.

Marko

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Shaun
Sat Aug 23 2008, 01:24AM
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Dr.quitting the dr. thing wrote ...

Only way to go with TO247 packages is separate isolated heatsink for each device and clamp mounting, which is rather complex in comparison to simply slapping 4 SOT227 packages onto a big heatsink.

Let me just make sure I'm clear on this; the reasoning here is because the metal tab on the SOT227 is isolated, whereas TO247 has it tied to the collector, correct?
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HV Enthusiast
Sat Aug 23 2008, 03:54AM
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Dr.quitting the dr. thing wrote ...

The problem is, SOT227 is very hard to get today for little people. Actually it's easier and cheaper silicon/cost to get CM300 and bigger bricks which are abundant on ebay!

One thing I'm interested about for drsstc's, what power levels can you guys generally attain with TO247 with use of sil pads?
I wouldn't think more than like 300W would be possible, but I may be wrong... 1000W doesn't sound realistic?


Only way to go with TO247 packages is separate isolated heatsink for each device and clamp mounting, which is rather complex in comparison to simply slapping 4 SOT227 packages onto a big heatsink.

Marko



I've run DRSSTCs using TO-247 IGBTs at power levels exceeding 1000 watts. Of course, thermal design is absolutely critical and can be quite complex for these power levels. For my TO-247 (i actually used the SMT version TO-268 or D3PAK), the IGBTs were attached to an IMS board (Integrated Metal Substrate) board which is basically an aluminum circuit board, with thermal vias which allow heat to spread out very effectively. However, for TO-247 mounted to a heatsink directly, i would suspect much less performance.

Just remember - the MOST important part of heatsinking those TO-247s is the INTERFACE between the device and the heatsink. Many people don't realize this, but most of your thermal impedance (and resulting delta T) from junction to heatsink is within this interface.

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Linas
Sat Aug 23 2008, 06:13AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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But i guess, that To247 (here is To-247MAx, no maintain hole) have same silicon lust, but SOT227 have bigger area, which attach to heat sink....
to solve this problem , i will use best isolators (ceramic), and i believe i don't have problems with Heat taking... confused
Link2 datasheet
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HV Enthusiast
Sat Aug 23 2008, 05:29PM
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wrote ...

i will use best isolators (ceramic), and i believe i don't have problems with Heat taking...

You don't want to use something like that. You need something which will conform to the irregularities of the heatsink and back of the device.
Something like a soft sil-pad or phase change material works well. Thermal grease would probably work okay too, but its not isolating.
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