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Coronafix
Sat Aug 09 2008, 12:57AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...


This is supposedly because as HV charge accumulates on the toroid, it creates a cloud of ionized air all around the toroid, which increases its effective size, which increases its efffective capacitance, which lowers the actual resonant frequency of the secondary.


This is by far the best reason I've heard of why the measured resonance and the working resonance don't match.
Most people just say that spark loading lowers the resonant frequency.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Aug 09 2008, 08:44AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I just couldn't miss this:
Zorink wrote ...

NST VA 360.0
NST Watts 371.4 W
How can VA be lower than W??


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Firefox
Sat Aug 09 2008, 04:28PM
Firefox Registered Member #1389 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 12:50AM
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Could it be that the topload is too big and the capacitance prevents breakout at that power level?
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flannelhead
Sat Aug 09 2008, 05:51PM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
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Firefox wrote ...

Could it be that the topload is too big and the capacitance prevents breakout at that power level?
Yeah! Why did no one think about that yet? The toroid is so round that it has no sharp points to break out. Maybe you should try to add a sharp breakout point (a screw or a nail for example) on the topload.
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Dago
Sat Aug 09 2008, 06:55PM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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Dr. 2N3055 wrote ...

Firefox wrote ...

Could it be that the topload is too big and the capacitance prevents breakout at that power level?
Yeah! Why did no one think about that yet? The toroid is so round that it has no sharp points to break out. Maybe you should try to add a sharp breakout point (a screw or a nail for example) on the topload.

12kV 30mA NST should be plenty of power, the coil is just tuned incorrectly.
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Mathias
Sat Aug 09 2008, 07:05PM
Mathias Registered Member #1381 Joined: Fri Mar 07 2008, 05:24PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

I just couldn't miss this:
Zorink wrote ...

NST VA 360.0
NST Watts 371.4 W
How can VA be lower than W??




Just maybe, he has a power factor higher then 1 :P (Think its just typo. The "standard" would be like 0,6 so around 220W for that VA or more like 620)
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Zorink
Sat Aug 23 2008, 07:19AM
Zorink Registered Member #1292 Joined: Wed Feb 06 2008, 04:09AM
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I've been busy with college starting back up in a few days, but I made an RQ gap and it increased the gap to the breakout point to 8 inches. The spark looks much brighter and wider, but the coil still won't arc into air. I'll try re-tuning now that I have a new gap and let you know how it works.
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Zorink
Sat Aug 23 2008, 07:29AM
Zorink Registered Member #1292 Joined: Wed Feb 06 2008, 04:09AM
Location: Mesa, AZ
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I've been looking around the forums and I found some things about the RF ground not being wired correctly. Here is how mine is hooked up - is it ok?

Link2
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Steve Conner
Sat Aug 23 2008, 01:22PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Maybe your coil would work better if you quit double- and triple- posting and shrink your oversized avatar to 100 pixels width Link2
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Cain
Sat Aug 23 2008, 01:29PM
Cain Registered Member #624 Joined: Tue Apr 03 2007, 07:50AM
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i would try with a small break out point and as for the RQ gap i used a slightly different version of it that i found worked heaps better than the original..

suck air through the gap with a good sized fan (not PC fans they suck pardon the pun) i used the side of a squirrel cage fan a large one and block the end, then cut slots in the sides that line up with the gaps in the electrodes so the air is sucked through the gaps nicely..

you will get a better charge of air through this way...

as for the output i had more from my 90mm secondary with a 12kv 30ma nst with bottle caps...

i think your tuning is all wrong
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