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Power lines don't care if you're broke and your mum is ill. This seems to happen quite a lot. People seem to get it into their heads that the power is turned off (we never hear about the successful thefts when the power was in fact off) or else they just assume that they're immune to electricity or something.
I heard of one where the copper thief had an accomplice short out the overhead lines by throwing wires over them. He expected it would blow out a breaker somewhere and make the lines safe to pillage. Sure enough, the power did go off, but it came back on just as he was grabbing the lines, resulting in the usual speedy trip to the burns unit. I guess he never heard of auto-reclosers.
Teslacoolguy, if you live in the kind of neighbourhood where these things go on, the air conditioning units are all gone already
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aonomus wrote ...
I have -zero- sympathy for this guy and I hope as he recovers they try and convict him, just cause you botched your criminal act and nearly got yourself killed in the process doesn't let you off the hook.
Very true but how many times have you read of the burglary where the guy breaks his leg coming in the roof and sues the home owner? I personally have seen it twice (for REAL!). This is the exact reason for all judge's records to be open to the public for review before an election to re-instate them for Judge (County Municipal, etc). But actually only Federal judges have a requirement that their ruling be available to the public. In Arizona, some municipalities have a LAW that seals their rulings!
Even IF this genius does sustain a conviction for his actions, guess who will pick up his hospital bills? YOU & I will in our taxes! Even if you are a student, some of your tuition will be siphoned off to pay public funded agenda. Have a small job somewhere? Your local taxes will pay for this jerks treatment. 3rd degree burns require a LOT of care. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a dime and they decide to do major re-constructive surgery that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. I certainly think he should be treated but there should be some limit as to what he is entitled to (for free). This would be an interesting case to track.
My personal compassion for the pain that he will endure makes me think that he has already received justice & I think jail time is somewhat a waste, but I'll bet that the tax-payer pays for more than he is entitled to in any event. Even mentioning this will brand me "mean-spirited" however.
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Joined: Thu May 22 2008, 05:24AM
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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quicksilver wrote ...
aonomus wrote ...
I have -zero- sympathy for this guy and I hope as he recovers they try and convict him, just cause you botched your criminal act and nearly got yourself killed in the process doesn't let you off the hook.
Very true but how many times have you read of the burglary where the guy breaks his leg coming in the roof and sues the home owner? I personally have seen it twice (for REAL!). This is the exact reason for all judge's records to be open to the public for review before an election to re-instate them for Judge (County Municipal, etc). But actually only Federal judges have a requirement that their ruling be available to the public. In Arizona, some municipalities have a LAW that seals their rulings!
Even IF this genius does sustain a conviction for his actions, guess who will pick up his hospital bills? YOU & I will in our taxes! Even if you are a student, some of your tuition will be siphoned off to pay public funded agenda. Have a small job somewhere? Your local taxes will pay for this jerks treatment. 3rd degree burns require a LOT of care. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a dime and they decide to do major re-constructive surgery that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. I certainly think he should be treated but there should be some limit as to what he is entitled to (for free). This would be an interesting case to track.
My personal compassion for the pain that he will endure makes me think that he has already received justice & I think jail time is somewhat a waste, but I'll bet that the tax-payer pays for more than he is entitled to in any event. Even mentioning this will brand me "mean-spirited" however.
Makes me proud to be Canadian. :D
Another thing that comes to mind is where a lady burnt herself with hot coffee and sued for that.... I'll never figure out how society allows stupidity to be rewarded in cases. I do hope he survives and recovers, but at the same thought I hope he reconsiders a new line of work.
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Very true but how many times have you read of the burglary where the guy breaks his leg coming in the roof and sues the home owner?
Just because you sue someone doesn't mean squat. In fact, you can sue anyone for anything.
In fact, I can legally (yes LEGALLY) sue you just because i don't like your post here on this board. Holding up in court or getting a settlement out of it, however, is another matter altogether.
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Dr. GigaVolt wrote ...
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Very true but how many times have you read of the burglary where the guy breaks his leg coming in the roof and sues the home owner?
Just because you sue someone doesn't mean squat. In fact, you can sue anyone for anything.
In fact, I can legally (yes LEGALLY) sue you just because i don't like your post here on this board. Holding up in court or getting a settlement out of it, however, is another matter altogether.
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So was the lady that sued McDonalds for burning herself with hot coffee on the premise that they brewed/served at a higher than neccessary temperature to keep it hot enough until customers reached work.
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INDEED, I was talking about successful suites....
We've all seen scenarios wherein there are warnings on materials that say something like "don't drink the hydrochloric acid", "Keep soldering iron away from genitals", etc, etc. It is from successful suites that these warnings come from.
There is actually a conception in Personal Injury law firms that there is no such thing as an accident or mis-use of a product. ....that all items & their manufacturers have an OBLIGATION to the public; a obligation to warn, to modify, or to accept responsibility for usage.
This manner of thinking is re-enforced by settlements as it costs less to settle than to maintain trial preparation time. And that only exists because there ARE judges that will allow frivolous tort actions in their courtroom.
Any judge who allows a case to be heard on the basis of mis-use ought to be excused from the bench. If the cup of MacDonald's coffee was dysfunctional then the cup manufacturer may be contacted to defend the strength of their containers but the hot object spilled by human hand upon genitalia does not place the origin of the material at fault. Much of this is also driven by political alignment. We've all seen warnings on firearms. However I've been involved in archery for decades. I have not seen a stamped warning on bows or arrows as of late. Both obviously propel an object that could be lethal if misused; this is an interesting phenomenon. Even more interesting is who complies with reaction to Tort action. Upon reaching a zenith of financial strength; one becomes virtually immune to civil action.
The classic examples are electric power and gasoline. The wall plug has changed little in decades of children placing objects into them and gasoline still catches fire when exposed to flame. At that point their financial strength allows them to simply hire more and better lawyers. Bottom line is still the bottom-line.
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quicksilver wrote ...
Even more interesting is who complies with reaction to Tort action. Upon reaching a zenith of financial strength; one becomes virtually immune to civil action.
The classic examples are electric power and gasoline. The wall plug has changed little in decades of children placing objects into them and gasoline still catches fire when exposed to flame. At that point their financial strength allows them to simply hire more and better lawyers. Bottom line is still the bottom-line.
Also see: American Gun manufacturers, they're used in millions of crimes and yet because lobbyists pay off the government, they turn a blind eye.
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Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:17PM
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a similar action can be seen with the "do not stop chain with hand" on chainsaws... as long as no one does something stupid with a particular product or service, no one cares. I got to shoot high power, military machine guns without even watching a safety video or signing anything (dad did, but it was just for permission that I could), I just said I wanted to shoot that gun, at that target, then they say get your ear protection and glasses and go into the range with the ammo... then they load the gun and let you shoot... obviously never had an incident.
as long as no more things I need for projects get banned from idiots, I'm fine... half the population is an idiot , then half of them are even stupider (can anyone name who said that? It really applies here ;)
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