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Can you run a transformer backward?

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Shaun
Wed Jul 23 2008, 03:13AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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Bottom line is you can only have so much current safely flowing through the winding. Since the winding has a fixed resistance, when the rated amount of current flows through it it WILL have its rated voltage across it (see Ohm's Law).

If you exceed that voltage by 10 times, the current will also increase by 10 times. Similarly, you cannot decrease the current flowing through it while maintaining the same voltage. If you use any sort of current limiting, be it resistive, inductive, capacitive, whatever, the voltage will always change directly with the current.
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Plasmaarc452
Wed Jul 23 2008, 04:30AM
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Thanks a lot for the info, I guess I will just have to get a mot as I cannot find just a simple 120v to 500v transformer anywhere and I cannot run my 120v to 12v backward so a mot is literally the only option.
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Dr. Slack
Wed Jul 23 2008, 07:34AM
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Check out the HVWiki under both "transformer" and "overload".
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Steve Conner
Wed Jul 23 2008, 10:56AM
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You should be able to pick up a 120 to 480v transformer easy enough. In industry, people often want to run 120V control electronics when they only have a higher voltage supply available. I've seen transformers with a 120V secondary and a primary tapped 0, 208, 240, 400, 480, 600 for this purpose. Get one of those and run it backwards.
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Jul 23 2008, 11:56AM
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The rule is that "volt seconds" in each period must not exceed value for given transformer. For example, if you have 10V to 100V transformer, you can drive the primary with 40V at 1/4 duty cycle or at 4x higher frequency and get 400V out, without the core saturating.
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Plasmaarc452
Wed Jul 23 2008, 05:09PM
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Where would I find a 120v to 480v transformer, I am looking on ebay but I can't find any. This is the kind of transformer that I want, a mot would work but it provides more power than I need.
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Proud Mary
Wed Jul 23 2008, 05:37PM
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Plasmaarc452 wrote ...

Where would I find a 120v to 480v transformer, I am looking on ebay but I can't find any. This is the kind of transformer that I want, a mot would work but it provides more power than I need.

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Plasmaarc452
Wed Jul 23 2008, 06:04PM
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Thanks for the link, but thats kind of expensive when a bran new mot cost's only $12 plus shipping.
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Steve Conner
Wed Jul 23 2008, 06:13PM
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Michael's Electronics Emporium is kind of pricey as Ebay stores go. He's also in the UK so shipping would hit you. You want something like this:
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or this:
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To find more, search with a term like "industrial control transformer". They are more expensive than MOTs, but if you want 500V, a MOT is the wrong tool for the job.
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Plasmaarc452
Wed Jul 23 2008, 06:27PM
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Thanks for the links
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