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Is this tube sutable?

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Andrew L.
Tue Jul 08 2008, 07:01PM Print
Andrew L. Registered Member #515 Joined: Sun Feb 11 2007, 02:06PM
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I had two QB 3/300 laying around for a long time. And now I'm wondering if these tubes would be suitable for a VTTC.
And if they are, which topology would be best to use.
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Mads Barnkob
Tue Jul 08 2008, 07:36PM
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They are fine for the job, you just need to find a way to drive both the grids in a proper way.

They are rated for 3kV on the plate, others have made VTTCs before using tetrodes, so no problem.

Im only getting into VTTCs myself so I am interested in any VTTC project, hopefully you will write about it.
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Andrew L.
Tue Jul 08 2008, 07:52PM
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The ratings for the tube are great.
But I didn't get any success yet,
I probably didn't have enough voltage on the grid to drive it.
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Proud Mary
Tue Jul 08 2008, 09:03PM
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Andrew L. wrote ...

The ratings for the tube are great.
But I didn't get any success yet,
I probably didn't have enough voltage on the grid to drive it.


I see from the Philips data sheet that 'typical' operation at 3kV would have screen grid 350V, and control grid negative bias of -150V, with positive grid swings to +300V, control grid current 6.5mA, and dissipation of 2W.

So you'll need a beefy drive circuit. amazed
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KresoLiubov
Wed Jul 09 2008, 04:31AM
KresoLiubov Registered Member #1153 Joined: Mon Dec 03 2007, 07:27PM
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I used a QB3.5/750. I can give you schematics if it helps you ?

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Andrew L.
Wed Jul 09 2008, 02:51PM
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That would be great if you could post the schematic here or email it to me. cheesey
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KresoLiubov
Thu Jul 10 2008, 04:38AM
KresoLiubov Registered Member #1153 Joined: Mon Dec 03 2007, 07:27PM
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Andrew L. wrote ...

That would be great if you could post the schematic here or email it to me. cheesey


Here you go. The photos are from mobile phone. I sold this VTTC long time ago but its still working flawlessly today.

schematics is 100 % error free but on Croatian. Al trough i think you can understand everything. If something is not clear fell free to ask me.
1215664706 1153 FT49399 Kondezatoridioda

1215664706 1153 FT49399 Skorozavrsenvakum

1215664706 1153 FT49399 Vakumpraznjenje1

1215664706 1153 FT49399 Vakumpraznjenje2

1215664706 1153 FT49399 Tt
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Proud Mary
Thu Jul 10 2008, 05:22AM
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Why did you decide to connect g1 and g2 in parallel, rather than tying g2 to the anode or to HT+ via a dropping resistor in the usual tetrode configuration?

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KresoLiubov
Thu Jul 10 2008, 06:35AM
KresoLiubov Registered Member #1153 Joined: Mon Dec 03 2007, 07:27PM
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Harry wrote ...

Why did you decide to connect g1 and g2 in parallel, rather than tying g2 to the anode or to HT+ via a dropping resistor in the usual tetrode configuration?



Because i used the tube in triode configuration
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Steve Conner
Thu Jul 10 2008, 10:17AM
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Tying g2 to the anode will overheat the g2 and melt it in tubes like these. The reason is that they're designed to work with an anode voltage much higher than the screen voltage. A dropper resistor would help, but it'll dissipate a lot of power.

Connecting the two grids together makes it work reasonably well as a triode, the risk is now of overheating g1 with the level of drive needed for g2. But people seem to use these kinds of tubes as grounded-grid RF amps with both grids grounded (which amounts to the same thing) without any trouble that I've heard of.

One other possibility that seems good (though I've never tried it) is to connect g1 to the cathode and use g2 as the control grid.
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