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Tom540
Mon Jun 09 2008, 03:20AM
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Hmm the layout on those boards is horrible. Ihe igbt placement and heat sink solution is well, horrible too. I would agree with Steve, looks like primary feedback through an opto. I don't know of anything but optos that are 6 pin. What I don't get is if he is using a resonant primary which he must be if he's using primary feedback is why he doesn't increase break rate and decrease on time, but then again do I care?
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teslacoolguy
Mon Jun 09 2008, 04:15AM
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I think that the only way that we are going to solve this mystery is to have someone "not me" buy one of those boards and reverse engineer it and come up with a schematic. Also i dont think the design is robust at all just by looking how tiny those heatsinks are. My opinion on how it works is pretty simple. The igbt's could really be scr's and those large elec caps are getting charged up with a buckboost converter and then being discharged into the primay coil. and that is why it can only run up to 5bps because any higher rep rate and caps will not charge in time. That also could explain Steve Ward's optocoupler theory because that could be driving the scr's So technically it is not a true resonant tesla coil and more of alarge pulse transformer.
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KresoLiubov
Mon Jun 09 2008, 04:21AM
KresoLiubov Registered Member #1153 Joined: Mon Dec 03 2007, 07:27PM
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teslacoolguy wrote ...

I think that the only way that we are going to solve this mystery is to have someone "not me" buy one of those boards and reverse engineer it and come up with a schematic. Also i dont think the design is robust at all just by looking how tiny those heatsinks are. My opinion on how it works is pretty simple. The igbt's could really be scr's and those large elec caps are getting charged up with a buckboost converter and then being discharged into the primay coil. and that is why it can only run up to 5bps because any higher rep rate and caps will not charge in time. That also could explain Steve Ward's optocoupler theory because that could be driving the scr's So technically it is not a true resonant tesla coil and more of alarge pulse transformer.

I emailed him to purchase one board. Then we will reverse engineer it for 4hv smile
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Ultra7
Mon Jun 09 2008, 04:30AM
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Couldn't we just ask if he'll show us a schematic?
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Mates
Mon Jun 09 2008, 05:45AM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Here is a concept of an older model from this guy. It is IGBT H-bridge with antena feedback, so I do not expect that he switched to some crazy SCR technology...It is simply DRSSTC, but I'm still pretty curious about the schematics


1212990202 1025 FT46678 Sstcmainplus
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KresoLiubov
Mon Jun 09 2008, 08:21AM
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Ultra7 wrote ...

Couldn't we just ask if he'll show us a schematic?

Tried allready, il just have to purchase board angry
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jun 09 2008, 03:05PM
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It is a direct-feedback design (without gate drive electronics) pulsed at a very low rate (see @ Link2 ). This is also why the transistors can survive without overheating.



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Tom540
Tue Jun 10 2008, 03:08PM
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Must be a bad design if he needs line powered fan while only running at 5bps. Funny this conversation hasn't come up sooner. This guy has been on ebay for a long time.
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KresoLiubov
Wed Jun 11 2008, 04:26AM
KresoLiubov Registered Member #1153 Joined: Mon Dec 03 2007, 07:27PM
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Tom540 wrote ...

Must be a bad design if he needs line powered fan while only running at 5bps. Funny this conversation hasn't come up sooner. This guy has been on ebay for a long time.

Because he use too little heat sinks and probably fan is for safety. People run this coils for hours without stop and it just work
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Tom540
Wed Jun 11 2008, 05:09AM
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yeah you have a point. but hes tested it for hours according to his site. He should test to see if that fan is really needed if not would probably cut a lot of cost out. his heat sinks look like they are cut from a bigger heat sink.
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