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Dr. SSTC

Tue Jul 08 2008, 11:36PM

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well i live in australia and i have lots of lasers 5 mw to 3 w i have nothing to worry about because im not gonna go and shine it into the sky, there is bascicly no way of caught, because i only use it in my lab and no one is aware that i even own them

Well the government had to do somthing about this, people were always pointing them at aeroplanes and helicopters even near where i live so if you ask me its a good thing that they were banned, i dont want a bloody helicopter in my roof

uzzors2k

Wed Jul 09 2008, 08:37AM

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jovica93 wrote ...

...and no one is aware that i even own them.

They are now.

The obvious solution to this problem would be equipping helicopters and planes with computer controlled 10W counter-strike lasers. Or at least half-mirror windows.

Dr. SSTC

Wed Jul 09 2008, 09:02AM

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Uzzors wrote ...

jovica93 wrote ...

...and no one is aware that i even own them.

They are now.

The obvious solution to this problem would be equipping helicopters and planes with computer controlled 10W counter-strike lasers. Or at least half-mirror windows.

no i meant the police and stuff like that, so what now do you think they'll hunt me down lol

Avi

Wed Jul 09 2008, 09:39AM

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and i have a ______ and a ______ and a ______, ______, ______, ______. all of which is banned by doing and or possessing in Australia.
What a wonderful country i live in.

Tesladownunder

Wed Jul 09 2008, 06:25PM

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This is a copy of an email from the NSW police to an astronomical society which spells things out for NSW at least.

Update on New Laser Pointer Laws
Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 08 by Mike Salway

Hi all

I received this information from John Sarkissian, who has been making representations to the NSW Government on behalf of the members of the Central West Astronomical Society and the general amateur and professional astronomical community. They received the following email from Les Tree, Director General of the Ministry for Police in NSW.

It is posted here for the information of IceInSpace members and guests.

Quote:
Dear Mr Sarkissian

I write to inform you of the arrangements regarding the new laws on the regulation of laser pointers.

There are three components to the new laws:

1. A new offence for possession of any kind of laser pointer in a public place without a reasonable excuse under the Summary Offences Act. The penalty may be up to 2 years imprisonment or a fine of up to $5,500.

Similar to the scheme that exists for knives, people will be required to provide a lawful excuse as to why they possess a laser pointer in a public place. A person who is an amateur astronomer would have a legitimate excuse for possessing a laser pointer in a public place as would a teacher or lecturer.

2. Laser pointers will be included as a dangerous implement under the Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act. Police will therefore have the power to request a person in a public place to submit to a frisk search if the police officer suspects on reasonable grounds that the person has a laser pointer in his or her custody. A police officer also has the power to confiscate the item.

Unlike other dangerous implements, the frisk search power only applies in public places; it does not apply to schools. The bolstering of police powers was necessary because of the difficulties in catching an offender for this particular crime type.

3. The Weapons Prohibition Regulation 1999 will, as from the date of commencement, list all 1 milliwat and above battery operated, hand held laser pointers as prohibited weapons. The lawful possession and use of these laser pointers will require a specific exemption or approval from the Commissioner of Police. A maximum of 14 years imprisonment penalty will apply.

This will ensure that access to higher powered laser pointers is limited to only those who are exempted from the requirement to own or possess a laser pointer or who have been approved by the Commissioner by way of a prohibited weapons permit.

Such approvals are subject to criminal and probity checks and ongoing responsibilities, including ensuring the safe storage of the item throughout the duration of the permit. Prior to this system being introduced an amnesty will be granted to people so that they can either apply for an exemption or a permit or surrender their laser pointer to police.

The Exemptions:
Persons exempt from the above requirement for a permit for possession and use of a laser pointer will include:

Â· A member of an approved professional or amateur astronomical organisation. This class of person is exempt from the requirement under the Act for a permit to possess or use a prohibited weapon referred to in clause 2(24) of Schedule 1 of the Act, but only for the purpose of enabling the person to take part in activities associated with astronomy.

The definition of â€œapproved professional or amateur astronomical organisationâ€ is still to be determined but will include:
Â· All astronomical organisations which are listed with the Australian Astronomical Society or the NSW Astronomical Society;
Â· Any astronomical organisations linked to a recognised Observatory such as the Sydney Observatory or Parkes Observatory; and
Â· Any other astronomical organisations approved by the Commissioner of Police.

The Amnesty:
Any person who already possesses a laser pointer to which the new law applies, and is not the holder of a permit under the Act, will be exempt from the requirement to seek a permit for until the end of the amnesty period, which will be prescribed in the Regulation, or until such a time as the person obtains a permit, whichever occurs first.

Permits:
Any person wishing to find out further information on laser pointers and how to apply for a permit may visit the NSW Police website on

or contact the Firearms Registryâ€™s Customer Service Line on Ph: 1300 362 562.

Yours sincerely,

Les Tree
Director General

Ministry for Police

This seems like pretty fair news for amateur astronomers and astronomical organisations and societies. At least some clarity is coming, anyway.

If you'd like to have your say about it, head to the IceInSpace Forum and participate in the discussion.

Thanks for reading.

quicksilver

Fri Jul 11 2008, 03:19PM

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In Texas chemistry glassware is highly legislated against. I had some marvelous glassware that I was going to sell but seeing as how they prepped that legislation I wanted nothing to do with getting rid of it. That legal stuff was generally centered around "meth labs".

Laws of these types are often used as padding for the prosecution to keep the level of sentencing high during a plea bargaining phase. I had thought the same thing was occurring is AUS. but they are actually looking for the object. Object control is not behavioural control and all the "gun laws" and "laser laws" in the world will do nothing to stop destructive behaviour.

Mexico City has one of the highest murder rates in the world in cities of 2 million or more. The overwhelming majority of these murders occur with firearms and Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws (much more than the UK!).

The idiots in the federal government legislated the illegality iodine (sale & possession). But they didn't realize it's one of the easiest chemicals related to illegal drug production to produce from a common non-toxic reagent available by the pound or ton most anywhere.

When we start to grow up "big brother" will start to realize we have to make our own decisions and be responsible for those we make.

Mads Barnkob

Fri Jul 11 2008, 03:28PM

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TheMerovingian wrote ...

Australian governement seems to be very strict, also concerning electrical repairs (voltages above 50V cannot be operated unless you are a qualified electrician)...

As an electrician I like that, jesus christ some shit people put together them self

aonomus

Fri Jul 11 2008, 04:39PM

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Theres a group on facebook called "Dodgy technicians", basically its a group for live event techs (audio, lighting, video, rigging, etc) which shows tons (thousands of photos worth) of bad things happening or dangerous setups.

Alot of them involve 3 phase electricity and the connectors which might have shorted out/burned, etc, but some of the photos are of home made 3 phase distribution panels, 3 phase electrical tape jobs, etc. Scary.

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