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quicksilver

Sat Jun 14 2008, 03:23PM

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I think the mythbusters writers/editors/media ad-marketing people are in a squirrel fight. If the fellows went with some of the more edgy stuff that they may WANT to do, there may be trouble from marketing girls trying to get ad-copy or sponsors. OR they may have some issue with legal / liability stuff.

If you think about it there may be some areas that could diminish a product line or invite litigation as "damage" ("this is said to function but is complete Bull***")
I really believe that each show goes through some serious "holy-war" of competing agendas - and THAT creates a mediocre product. If those fellows could have free reign, I'd bet that show would scream! (I happen to like it myself, but I find it a bit mediocre at times & have asked myself why they pursued a certain agenda that could have been better).
Imagine if they did a show on energetic materials and REALLY got into energetic chemistry.....the liability issues would soar! Same thing with HV, to a degree. They have to come CLOSE but never even approach a "how to" type agenda. Secret formulas, secret items....must be held from the public's eye....lest little Johnny mix up some peroxides and knock his fingers off.... that type of thing. So they have to "settle" for showing an entertaining issue but keeping the "how to", actually the science, to a minimum.

Hon1nbo

Sat Jun 14 2008, 04:15PM

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smash lab sorta has that occasionally, and mythbusters but rarely... and they state their insurance company wont allow much of the stuff... but if the mythbusters did more of that, they probably would blow up their shop, but on smash labs that's sorta the point lol.

teslacoolguy

Thu Aug 28 2008, 03:47AM

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Ok. I was wondering any of you watched the new episode tonight and thought it was a fix? I know there are a lot of conspiracy out there about the moon landing being a hoax and personally i think it was. Tell me your opinion but i think that they on purpose made it look real and busted it so nasa doesent get letters from people asking to borrow the moon landing tapes for evaluation. I mean come on... would those triangle mirrors even if there were some up there be still visible 40 years later with all that dust? I could be wrong but i dont think that they did a good job on this one, and i am not convinced.

Tesladownunder

Thu Aug 28 2008, 11:11AM

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I don't know anything about the episode but I presume they are referring to the corner mirrors that return a beam coming from the earth for laser ranging.
Dust? In the vacuum of the moon, dust will fall as fast as a stone and only be stirred by meteorite impacts. Nothing else apart from the lander itself will stir it up.

TDU

Chris Russell

Thu Aug 28 2008, 11:59AM

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Oh, goodness. They're up there. That's an undeniable fact. Anyone with a powerful enough laser can tickle them and look for a return bounce. Or are scientists all over the world also part of the moon conspiracy? Really, if you're going to argue an insane theory, you could at least learn the facts and construct a reasonable hoax scenario, such as claiming that the retroreflectors must have been deployed by an automatic probe of some sort.

Have a look here for independent evidence that's really difficult to scoff at:

. The Apollo 16 ultraviolet photograph is especially damning. Also interesting is the fact that many people tracked the missions via radio and telescope, meaning that people would have immediately noticed if there wasn't a spacecraft exactly where NASA said it would be. As more evidence gets piled on top, the hoax scenario starts becoming more and more untenable. Did NASA really construct probes to that were capable of: taking ultraviolet photographs, deploying lunar retroreflectors, broadcasting hundreds of hours of fake telemetry, audio, and video, and then still have enough money to buy the utter silence of everyone who worked on the project? It would have been cheaper by an order of magnitude or more to just go to the moon in the first place.

Myke

Thu Aug 28 2008, 01:54PM

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Also most of the things that you asked me about the moon landing not being real, I showed you how they were true. Do you remember the thing that I couldn't prove to you to be true?

Shaun

Thu Aug 28 2008, 11:15PM

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I saw the episode, and there wasn't a doubt in my mind they would bust every moon-landing-hoax myth out there.

My personal argument whenever I hear people discussing this topic is that at the time we (the US) were in the middle of a damn multi-trillion dollar space race with the USSR. Do people not think the Soviets were watching like a hawk every single thing we were doing up there? If we hadn't actually gone to the moon, the would have been the first one to bust us.

Even if we had wanted to, I don't think we could have fooled them.

Backyard Skunkworks

Thu Aug 28 2008, 11:19PM

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Those mirrors have been used to map the moon's orbit and distance from earth quite fully, they are no hoax. The LRO

is going to have high enough resolution to take photos of the landing sites, if they choose to.

Wirenut

Fri Aug 29 2008, 03:16AM

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Not to mention hundreds of pounds of rocks scientists worldwide agree came from the moon that only humans could have collected.

Chris Russell

Fri Aug 29 2008, 04:15AM

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Backyard Skunkworks wrote ...

Those mirrors have been used to map the moon's orbit and distance from earth quite fully, they are no hoax. The LRO

is going to have high enough resolution to take photos of the landing sites, if they choose to.

I thought about bringing that up, but let's face it, the hoaxers are just going to claim that NASA digitally added the landing sites. When someone has already made up their minds as to what the "truth" of the matter is, they're free to move the bar as often as they like. I'm sure you could round up a hundred billion dollars, send a hoaxer group to the moon to see the landing sites for themselves, and they'd come back claiming the footprints were clearly placed years later by a secret robotic cover-up probe.

Wirenut wrote ...

Not to mention hundreds of pounds of rocks scientists worldwide agree came from the moon that only humans could have collected.

I'd assume that if you can pay every scientist with a big laser to claim they see a return laser bounce from the retroreflectors, buying off every scientist with a lunar soil sample and a microscope is just another line on the expense report.

Note to self: time to build a big laser and start waiting for the NASA hush money to roll in.

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