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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 15 2008, 05:38PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I'm planning to wind a homemade HV transformer on a ferrite core. The problem is that there is not enough room for windings on the core and it will most likely just arc over from the winding to the opposite "leg" (where primary will be).
I know that putting it in transformer oil would most likely be the solution but I can't find any transformer oil. Is there any other kind of easily available oil that is OK to use for HV transformers?



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Experimentonomen
Fri Feb 15 2008, 05:50PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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I saw bottles on ebay a while ago.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 15 2008, 05:57PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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HFsstc-freak wrote ...

I saw bottles on ebay a while ago.
ebay no-way :P there is usually $15+ shipping to czech republic, maybe a few times the cost of the oil tongue




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Proud Mary
Fri Feb 15 2008, 06:40PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Vegetable oils, such as sunflower seed, rapeseed, and canola oils, are increasingly used in high voltage power transformers because of their desirable environmental and health and safety characteristics.

See the French electricity company EDF's news release "World's first vegetable oil filled transformer at 132,000 volts" here:

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Here is a general paper discussing the commercial use of vegetable oil in transformers:

Link2

A number of patents have been issued for vegetable transformer oils such as these two here:

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So there's no good reason not to use it!



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Kizmo
Fri Feb 15 2008, 06:49PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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You can probably buy small amounts of transformer oil from local electric company (at least they sell it here without problem).

Vegetable oil works, but it must be for transformer so do not use cooking/food oil! It will insulate things nicely but it wont last very long, it deteriorates and runs away cheesey .
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Billybobjoe
Fri Feb 15 2008, 06:49PM
Billybobjoe Registered Member #396 Joined: Wed Apr 19 2006, 12:55AM
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Depending on how much you need, you can get Mineral Oil at a pharmacy in a decent sized bottle. Its used as a laxative so you might get some looks buying a couple. Its not especially expensive.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 15 2008, 06:51PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hey Harry - I think I will go for it ! I just heard that vegetable oils deteriorate over time [such as sunflower seed oil, the stuff you can buy for cooking], is this true?
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Kizmo
Fri Feb 15 2008, 07:22PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Yes it is.. they will deteriorate over time and start smelling really bad
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 15 2008, 07:35PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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yeah Kizmo, I didn't see your reply before I posted.
so I guess the supermarket is not the right place to buy transformer oil tongue

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Arcstarter
Fri Feb 15 2008, 07:35PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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use mineral oil.it is cheap and comes in a bottle that should be enough the cover a small ferrite transformer.hope it works for you!
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