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H~Tank~V
Thu Jan 24 2008, 02:02PM Print
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I've come up with an idea for an MMC for my coil. Before I run out and spend my money, I just wanted to make sure it was "up to par". Here is a pic of my design. All the information is on it. If I am missing anything please let me know.


Thanks!

MMC
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Kizmo
Thu Jan 24 2008, 02:49PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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It looks like pile of capacitors in series-parallel.. which is called MMC :)

What kind of transformer you are planning to use?
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H~Tank~V
Thu Jan 24 2008, 02:59PM
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Here is a pic of the transformer its 15000V @ 30mA.


Transf
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Thanks!
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Dr. Slack
Thu Jan 24 2008, 04:25PM
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You might be missing a bleeder resistor across each cap. If you connect all 3 strings at all the nodes, then you only need one per 3 parallel caps.

If there's any unbalanced leakage on the caps, it prevents a steady build up of charge on one leading to over-voltage, and of course it runs the charge down at the end for safety.

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Coronafix
Thu Jan 24 2008, 11:04PM
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Your value is a bit too close to resonance. You should have about 1.4-2 times the resonant value otherwise the voltage rise on the bank may go to high exceeding the rating.
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H~Tank~V
Fri Jan 25 2008, 02:52AM
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Ok, so changing the cap's to .022uF will give me .00825uF which is about 1.47 times more than resonance.

Is that the idea for the bleeder resistors?

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Andrew H
Fri Jan 25 2008, 03:41AM
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Generally people use the 942C series capacitor from CDE. They have better specs for use in TC service. Also using a higher value cap (.1-.15uF) will cut down on the number of caps you need (and generally the cost).
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Coronafix
Fri Jan 25 2008, 07:07AM
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If you use 8 x 0.1uF that will give you 12.5pF
therefore cutting the cost by a third.
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Herr Zapp
Fri Jan 25 2008, 07:52AM
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Remember that the peak output voltage of your transformer (if you limit the input voltage to 120) will be over 21,000 volts (15,000 RMS volts X 1.414). Your bleeder resistors will need to withstand this voltage, so use a resistor across each capacitor to allow the voltage to divide across the maximum number of resistors. Also, use special resistors rated for high voltage use. The Vishay VR-37 (.5 watt) metal film resistors are rated for 3500 volts, vs 500 volts for standard metal film resistors. The VR-37 resistors cost around $0.10 each, so the cost is insignificant.
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Dr. Slack
Fri Jan 25 2008, 08:19AM
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Is that the idea for the bleeder resistors?


No.

The centre terminal of each cap pair is floating, so charge could build up on that. In addition, the ressitors need to withstand 2x cap voltage, so you need to start fiddling with series strings, or expenzive resistors.

Try this (the configuration, not the 1k/1n default values!). Even a value as high as 10meg would dissipate 1 watt at 3kV, so you might be better off with 22meg or 47meg. These still give seconds for dumping the charge when you've finished.


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