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CompWiz
Wed Jan 16 2008, 02:22AM
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what about small ferrite rods

or wirewound resisters
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Electroholic
Wed Jan 16 2008, 01:40PM
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ferrite is quite conductive at these high voltage, so no.
always use aircore for marx.
wirewound is also no go, failure mode under high voltage is usually short and burn.
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CompWiz
Wed Jan 16 2008, 04:23PM
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OK that makes since

I'll order the parts in a few days
and post a thread with the results
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Proud Mary
Wed Jan 16 2008, 08:12PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Electroholic wrote ...
wirewound is also no go, failure mode under high voltage is usually short and burn.

Wirewound resistors fabricated "by hand-winding 22-gauge Nichrome wire on a one-mm thick fibre reinforced plastic (FRP) sheet" and given "Enough insulation and mechanical rigidity...introduced by epoxying these resistors." is described in

Development of a 300-kV Marx generator and its
application to drive a relativistic electron beam

Y CHOYAL, LALIT GUPTA, PREETI VYAS,
PRASAD DESHPANDE, ANAMIKA CHATURVEDI,
K C MITTAL+ and K P MAHESHWARI in Sadhana Vol. 30, Part 6, December 2005, pp. 757–764

The tail resistors in this case are 50 ohms for a 150 - 200 nS Marx output pulse.

The paper also describes the construction of "a shielded copper sulphate (CuSO4) resistive voltage divider having divider ratio 1000:1."

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Electroholic
Thu Jan 17 2008, 12:04AM
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Well, most off the shelf wirewound like this one here

Link2

are no good.
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plazmatron
Fri Jan 18 2008, 03:39AM
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I had trouble with resistors when designing mine. I now use 4x ordinary 220k 1/4W metal film glazed resistors in series (for each drawn resistor) and for a good measure they are placed inside a length of heatshrink tubing, to prevent corona, or flashover. I have had no failures yet.

It is possible to use inductors, but realy thats the preserve of medium-large marx gererators. I once tried it as an alternative to resistors, using 30 swg wire wound on 1inch x 2 inch forms, but even then the inductance was still a little too low for good performance.

If physical size isnt important, then using inductors is probably the way to go, but figure winding each one on at least 2inx2in forms with 30 swg ecw.
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CompWiz
Fri Jan 18 2008, 03:41AM
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I read somewhere that Carbon Composition Resistors
work good

i was looking at these : Link2
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plazmatron
Fri Jan 18 2008, 04:03AM
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They may do, but there are no guarantees either way. It is pretty much a trial and error thing.
Carbon comps have a tendency to go high or low, in high voltage service. Metal-film tend to flash over or go open circuit alltogether.

Which ever you choose, I do recomend using 4 or 5 lower values in series rather than having a single resistor handle all the stress, and heatshrink is definately a good idea.

At least resistors are cheap enough to replace! smile
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CompWiz
Fri Jan 18 2008, 04:15AM
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I think I'll use 3 of these in series
Link2
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plazmatron
Fri Jan 18 2008, 04:41AM
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That seems like a safe bet, I would go with that! wink
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