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Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
Location: Zadar, Croatia
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Hmmm... Ok, I'll do as drawn. :p
Think of it this way, you have two outputs of the xformer, they go into the low pass filters (One filter per output), the output of the low pass filter will go into the safety gaps. The safety gaps go to tank. If you get a HV kickback the safety gap will catch it before low pass. The low pass removes the HF RF. The HF RF without low pass will focus on the first few windings of the secondary and will start to break down the insulation. Setting the safety gap is easy, just move the gaps togeather to they start to arc without the tank. This is the output of the xfomer max rating. Then just move the gaps a bit out to stop the arc of the OBIT, now any kick back will fire the safety gap. The safety gap is a good monitor as in tuning if it fires all the time you are out of tune big time. It should fire once in a while but no all the time. This is saving your transformer ever time it fires. I find a 2k ohm resistor and a 2000pf door knob cap to ground works well for low pass. Put a signal gen on the low pass filter and watch as you raise the freg. At about 1000hz the signal should go away. This ensures you really are passing HF to ground.
Rgs, ch
For this small transformer I have, 2nF would be really large fraction of my tank capacitance, I would not want to load the little transformer down more than I need!
Terry filter has just about 500pF of capacitance per leg, and for mine I thought I would be fine with like 200pF.
It seems that hazmatt has done some simulations regarding this and found out that 50pF would be enough in most cases...
I hope he appears here with some more thoughts.
P.S. I can send you a few 2000pf 40kv door knobs if you like?
Thanks sir, but a ghetto guy like me would never use expensive HF dorknobs for a low frequency filter, it would be pity to me not to keep them for something like a CW multiplier or marx.
For my case I think PVC pipe jars will work very well, with very little cost
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Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Marko wrote ...
It seems that hazmatt has done some simulations regarding this and found out that 50pF would be enough in most cases...
It all depends on the resistance value he used, the formula for cutoff frequency being f=1/(2pi xRxC) So it goes that your filter Chris, will be attenuating at 40Hz. Is that right?!?
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