Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 37
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Mathias (41)
slash128v6 (52)


Next birthdays
02/01 Barry (70)
02/01 Snowcat (37)
02/01 wylie (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Tesla Coils
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Filter for a small 20mA OBIT

Move Thread LAN_403
Marko
Thu Jan 10 2008, 11:07PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
Location: Zadar, Croatia
Posts: 3145
Hmmm... Ok, I'll do as drawn. :p


Think of it this way, you have two outputs of the xformer, they go into the low pass filters (One filter per output), the output of the low pass filter will go into the safety gaps. The safety gaps go to tank. If you get a HV kickback the safety gap will catch it before low pass. The low pass removes the HF RF. The HF RF without low pass will focus on the first few windings of the secondary and will start to break down the insulation. Setting the safety gap is easy, just move the gaps togeather to they start to arc without the tank. This is the output of the xfomer max rating. Then just move the gaps a bit out to stop the arc of the OBIT, now any kick back will fire the safety gap. The safety gap is a good monitor as in tuning if it fires all the time you are out of tune big time. It should fire once in a while but no all the time. This is saving your transformer ever time it fires. I find a 2k ohm resistor and a 2000pf door knob cap to ground works well for low pass. Put a signal gen on the low pass filter and watch as you raise the freg. At about 1000hz the signal should go away. This ensures you really are passing HF to ground.

Rgs,
ch

For this small transformer I have, 2nF would be really large fraction of my tank capacitance, I would not want to load the little transformer down more than I need!

Terry filter has just about 500pF of capacitance per leg, and for mine I thought I would be fine with like 200pF.

It seems that hazmatt has done some simulations regarding this and found out that 50pF would be enough in most cases...
Link2

I hope he appears here with some more thoughts.

P.S. I can send you a few 2000pf 40kv door knobs if you like?

Thanks sir, cheesey but a ghetto guy like me would never use expensive HF dorknobs for a low frequency filter, it would be pity to me not to keep them for something like a CW multiplier or marx.

For my case I think PVC pipe jars will work very well, with very little cost shades

Thanks guys again...
Back to top
Coronafix
Fri Jan 11 2008, 02:34AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 938
Marko wrote ...

It seems that hazmatt has done some simulations regarding this and found out that 50pF would be enough in most cases...

It all depends on the resistance value he used, the formula for cutoff frequency being f=1/(2pi xRxC)
So it goes that your filter Chris, will be attenuating at 40Hz. Is that right?!?

Back to top
Dr. Drone
Fri Jan 11 2008, 04:45AM
Dr. Drone Registered Member #290 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 08:24PM
Location:
Posts: 1673
shades
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.