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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Wed Mar 08 2006, 12:15AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I also had my TC with the toroid removed and tuned, toroid nearby on a stool and my 'sympathetic secondary' arcing to the toroid over some 4" for fun. It's on video but it gets pretty washed out in the lighting and the flashes from the spark gap. If I can go through the footage and get a snapshot, I will post it.

I'll check out the lamp too. I have a 12V dome light I would like to light up. Man, if that thing did light up, just imagine the amount of current present! That's like 5A!
This also gives me an idea for a RF wattmeter. Since a bulb doesn't care about AC DC or HF, the incadescent bulb will light with whatever.....this is becoming a neat idea. Sorta a poor-mans thermocuple ammeter.
I can calibrate with DC and measure with LDR/precision opamp, send that to a DMM unit and the deed is done.

Thank's for seeding the idea. Gotta get back to writing up my cheat sheet for EE 430.
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Marko
Wed Mar 08 2006, 10:46AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Maybe i wasnt clear about the bulb, if you watched the movie you can see its mot in series with resonator but several windings are wound (as some kind of secondary) in order to step down the voltage and increase current.

I wound 8 turns for 1W bulb of unknown voltage, it lights nicely meter away.
Probably its not very efficient, nor the TC is (tends to melt down because of heatage)
Using ferrite core would help there a lot, but then it would be very hard to tune resonance.

Here is the detailed pic how I connected the bulb.

I tried to rectify LV output but diodes I tried dont work at 2 mhz and heat up together with filtering capacitor.
rolleyes


1141814818 89 FT3329 Bulb
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ragnar
Wed Mar 08 2006, 12:03PM
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You can't light the bulb up without the resonator in the middle by any chance, can you?

Tried putting your 'stepdown' winding in the center (rather than at the base) of your 'receiver' yet?
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Marko
Wed Mar 08 2006, 12:39PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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There is tape over them (for protection purposes before), but windings continue to the bottom.
Maybe not visible in picture.
Bulb lights nicely, at half a meter away I almost fried it, at 1 meter it is OK (you can see in movie) and also one neon bulb lights up just being near resonator.

If I move windings from base to top it makes very little difference.

So we can use lot of power even when breakout fully dissapears.




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Marko
Wed Mar 15 2006, 10:56PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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I ran 12V DC fan 1m away, rectified with varicap diode from some old tuner (really had no fast diodes at hand, all others I tried justbehaved 'shorted' at 2Mhz.
Diode heats up but it lives, its probably overcurrented by fan but I didnt blow it yet.
So with fast enough rectifying DC can be used also.

Thats maybe it, now I intend on winding couple of mini-coils and make some of them resonant for purpose of 'power transfer'... smile
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Steve Conner
Thu Mar 16 2006, 12:14PM
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Nice work firkragg! smile I wonder if this is the first example of anyone running a motor off Tesla wireless power? Tesla did it, but he had to use the lowest frequency coils he could make, and a special high frequency induction motor running directly off the HF AC, because he didn't have any rectifiers fast enough. I don't think he ever got enough power from a motor this way to do any useful work.
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Marko
Fri Mar 17 2006, 05:11PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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For motor you would probably need frequencies in Hz range, hard to acheive even for huge coils.
That was probably one of major faults of such energy transfer: no rectifying HF current.

Im about to use this secondary for small SGTC again, without resonance and poor transmitted power it acheived maybe the best possible result.


1142615474 89 FT3329 Fan
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