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Tesladownunder

Thu Sept 20 2007, 03:59AM

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I must be missing something on the small screen but the series of tyres rolling into each other all want to roll uphill.
Great ad though. Wish I had time for 600 takes to get my gear to run right.

TDU

AndrewM

Thu Sept 20 2007, 04:32AM

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I read some discussion of this several years ago when it was new. The uphill tire magic wa s a popular sticking point, the filmmaker's response was that they were weighted internally.

To Reaching and others, enjoy the Snopes article confirming it to be CG free:

Steve Conner

Thu Sept 20 2007, 09:21AM

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It all sounds like a piece of spin. They probably used any CGI they wanted, and then just made up all that stuff about 606 takes and dismantling pre-production cars to make it seem cooler.

Bored Chemist

Thu Sept 20 2007, 05:12PM

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"its computer animated, and thats for sure. i think 3/4 of the whole track is animated by some software programm or motion capturing. look at all the metal parts and especially on the glasses... i work with a program called 3ds max for some years now and i recognize a animation, when i see one."
Fair enough, but given the quality of the copy here I don't see how anyone can be sure. Of course, from another point of view, it is a computer graphic; you are watching it on a computer. Perhaps that's why it looks like one.
Also if someone paid that much for live action and actually got a CG image then it would be fraud. Accusations of fraud on a public internet site are not a good idea unless you can prove them.

Of course, it could have been made by the same people who filmed the "moon landing" footage for NASA and who wired all the explosives into the twin towers, ie it has all the makings of a conspiracy theory

Chris

Thu Sept 20 2007, 06:36PM

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It has to be fake, since the radiator tipping over doesn't have even close to enough momentum to push the tires all the way up that ramp. You can see them actually accelerate a little bit up the ramp when there is nothing touching them. How are they even held there in the first place? The motion of a lot of the other parts seems phony too. Someone care to explain this?

If it was CG, I think they would have claimed it at the time. I mean, what gain is there from claiming it was all done as a giant Rube Goldberg machine, then continually sending your design crew out to TV interviews to say this, when they could have said: "Hey, look at our cool CG tech. Isn't it great?"

Simple. People don't appreciate how difficult computer animation is, since they are exposed to it all the time in movies and TV commercials. They think it's just a part of everyday life. On the other hand, people are quite a lot more impressed if they are told this is all done in real life with no editing. I think we all know this.

Chris Russell

Thu Sept 20 2007, 06:54PM

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Chris wrote ...

It has to be fake, since the radiator tipping over doesn't have even close to enough momentum to push the tires all the way up that ramp. You can see them actually accelerate a little bit up the ramp when there is nothing touching them. How are they even held there in the first place? The motion of a lot of the other parts seems phony too. Someone care to explain this?

AM already said above, the tires were internally weighted. In case you missed it, here is the Snopes link again:

I would imagine that simple adhesion between the tire and plank would explain how you could hold a tire in place with a weight balanced at the top. As for other "phony" movements, try to view a high quality version. It makes a difference.

Dr. Drone

Thu Sept 20 2007, 07:05PM

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Ragnarok

Thu Sept 20 2007, 08:40PM

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Chris wrote ...
Simple. People don't appreciate how difficult computer animation is, since they are exposed to it all the time in movies and TV commercials. They think it's just a part of everyday life. On the other hand, people are quite a lot more impressed if they are told this is all done in real life with no editing. I think we all know this.

At the time, which was some time back remember, or even today, CG as good as that appears on a high quality large screen, would still be something to talk about.

Personally, I think, even today having been saturated in CG for years, some CG stuff is still absolutely incredible.

In fact these days, saying it's CG would probably be more impressive (at least to me). If you can look at something, and it's damn near impossible to tell that it is actually CG, then that's what would get my attention. And the same thing would apply to the advert. If Honda were to admit it was CG, then having seen the original version, and bearing it's age in mind, I would be seriously impressed, because I couldn't prove it to be anything other than real by any manner or means.

I imagine soon a similar argument could erupt over something that is claimed to be CG, but appears to absolutely real. In the end, you won't know if what you're watching is real.

Shaun

Wed Sept 26 2007, 03:55AM

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I can definitely see that taking 606 takes. What I really liked were when they used batteries for stuff, and the sound system.
Also the walking windshield wipers look weird.

Chris

Wed Sept 26 2007, 04:36AM

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I didn't catch the part about the internal weights in the tires. I can see where that would work, and help to keep the tires in place beforehand if you were careful.

Also the walking windshield wipers look weird.

I think they look a little creepy actually. If I were a small child I would probably have bad dreams about them chasing me.

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