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Huge 3 phase Jacobs ladder

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ShawnLG
Wed Sept 12 2007, 04:25PM
ShawnLG Registered Member #286 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 04:52AM
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"Wow how would that circular jacobs ladder work? Why does the spark go back down?"

It is propelled by Lorentz force.
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Dalus
Wed Sept 12 2007, 05:03PM
Dalus Registered Member #639 Joined: Wed Apr 11 2007, 09:09PM
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Judging from the current in those experiments it's verry likely.
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Dago
Wed Sept 12 2007, 06:44PM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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ShawnLG wrote ...

I found some more German videos.

I have never seen a circular Jacabs ladder before!:
Link2

1.2MV at 1A power arcs:
Link2

3MV marks generator:
Link2

Awesome videos mate, thanks for the links. Especially the first and the second ones are amazing.
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Tesladownunder
Wed Sept 12 2007, 07:17PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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The circular JL is an interesting idea. It says 3kV 500A = 1.5MW
Judging by the intensity of that spark it looks a lot less than that but still fearsome.
I have wondered about making an upside down JL but I have not seen a circular one before. It would have been more reliable if he had the entry point of the circle on an upstroke rather than the bottom where it will stall. A high current low voltage is probably a necessary to make this work. You need a high current without too much heating and with a close gap.

It relies on the "rail gun" effect and should work with either polarity.
I can see the rail gun effect when I fire my cap bank through steel wool. It all gets shot out away from the caps.

They must have a lot of power available in Germany. Mathias says he has 400V 3 phase 63A domestic service. Nice to have 75kW to play with rather than the 250V ?50A = 12kW here in Australia. We don't need the heating though.

Another pic from Matthias. Note the plastic work for the transformer cases. Also note how far apart the JL electrodes are in the far transformer.
1189624543 10 FT31102 Mathiastransf1
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Nik
Wed Sept 12 2007, 10:39PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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Could a high voltage spark be used to initiate a high current (lower voltage) arc? That would make a circular or upside down JL easier.

/probably missed somthing
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Tesladownunder
Thu Sept 13 2007, 01:03AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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The spark still has to jump the gap in the circle each rotation. There has to be a gap to allow the process to continue so you need sufficient voltage to jump a gap all the time.

TDU
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Coronafix
Thu Sept 13 2007, 02:53AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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I tried making a helical JL once, but it was only run by a 15kV60mA NST
so the spark kept stalling at points where the angle was too shallow.
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