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Sulaiman
Mon Aug 06 2007, 06:44PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I have (my first) TC secondary wound on 4" black pvc pipe,
It has never given me any problems due to the 'blackener'
I still use it after 10 years!
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Mon Aug 06 2007, 08:24PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I get some pretty good results with 4" ABS even though people say not to use it. 38" sparks from 760VA is pretty good.
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Kizmo
Sun Aug 12 2007, 07:08PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Powersupply is now finished. Total of 4 mots primaries in parallel secondaries in series. Ballasted with shorted mot. Input power 3kW, output voltage 7kV (7061V to be exact). Will hit over 8kV as soon as i get proper ballast (now primary current is 13amp max, 16amp breaker can take 22-23amps fine) Because of overballasting transformer primary hits only 196V (240V line).

Few pics (missing safety gap. EMI line filter will be on different board with ballast)
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Tomorrow 200mm pipe will start turning :)

..And when you have high voltage transformer it is good to burn some sticks:
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sparky
Sun Aug 12 2007, 07:31PM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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Curious...what AWG wire are you using for your spark gap / tank supply? What AWG are you using on your secondary coil form?
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Kizmo
Sun Aug 12 2007, 07:39PM
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Im not sure yet, but wiring will be as thick as i can found from my garage (something between AWG0 to AWG2) and secondary will be AWG23 copper on 200mm pipe about 1200 turns
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Aug 12 2007, 08:59PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I wouldn't bother using heavy wire on the primary tank. If you take some time to calculate the skin depth of the RF currents it will be a few mil's so its not going to get to the middle of the wire.
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Kizmo
Sun Aug 12 2007, 09:27PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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argh, i just realized that the wire i bought as AWG 23 (0.57mm) measures with lacquer only 0.52mm so it is more likely AWG24 :(

With 0.52mm wire actual mm/turn will be around 0.6mm -> 1300 turns makes 800mm (31½") I think that is still tall enough to prevent self-hits with large top load? Will see about that :)
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sparky
Mon Aug 13 2007, 12:28AM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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I enjoy making tall secondaries. While they are slightly more work to create, they certianly work to prevent primary to secondary strikes. I haven't had one yet even with high kW runs.

I used 6AWG cable on a 92nF 45kV bank and it gets quite warm after several minutes. So I switched out that wire for 2AWG and its cool to the touch.
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Sulaiman
Mon Aug 13 2007, 01:27AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Thick wire is better than thin with skin-effect because the circumference is larger.
That's why copper tube/pipe is so good/popular.
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sparky
Mon Aug 13 2007, 07:09AM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

I wouldn't bother using heavy wire on the primary tank. If you take some time to calculate the skin depth of the RF currents it will be a few mil's so its not going to get to the middle of the wire.

Well, experience tells me otherwise Hazmatt... when you are pushing large amounts of pulse current through a small wire you are bound to get heating. The temperature difference between running 6AWG and 2AWG on a high wattage tesla coil is remarkable. I'd use 4AWG minimum when running any system over 6kW - just for the tank supply/ primary connections.
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