Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 30
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
One birthday today, congrats!
Danielle (34)


Next birthdays
07/07 MicroTesla (34)
07/09 Avi (41)
07/09 Jannick Hagen (15)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Wiring a nst

Move Thread LAN_403
kv
Sun Jun 17 2007, 06:14AM
kv Registered Member #809 Joined: Wed May 30 2007, 08:59AM
Location: Melbourne, victoria
Posts: 114
sorry, i know i'm not allowed to double post but i forgot to attach this video of my "sparks" with my other post. This is the two high voltage terminals of the transformer, the arcs are about 2mm long and humm alot. Compare this to the video i posted above and you can see the problem, they don't stretch, nor are they big and mine is only 30ma less than that one. The secondaries are centre grounded to the case. i tried each terminal to the case and the sparks are tiny. there has to be something serious going on in there.
]1182060858_809_FT26954_arc_1.wmv[/file]
Back to top
sparky
Sun Jun 17 2007, 08:08AM
sparky Registered Member #530 Joined: Sat Feb 17 2007, 07:56AM
Location: Victoria BC, Canada
Posts: 178
Have you measured the resistance of the primary and secondary with a multimeter yet? Higher resistance in ohms will indicate the secondary windings... uneven resistance on the coils could indicate a short...
How sure are you that these NSTs don't have power correction units built in them? They look totally shorted - and you'd have to REALLY abuse these transformers to burn them up... so I'm guessing there is something more going on here than just a bad transformer. Wiring...

Another scenario - not so pretty- it is very possible that these NSTs were discarded after the tar melted on them due to long use and the secondary insulation broke down - forming an arc path and shorting out the coils. That might explain your problem. I'd un-pot your NST in an oven and pour out the tar. The rest of the coil could soak in Gasoline or Diesel.... then you can see the coil better and access the core.

-----another thought------
Did some diggin' on NeoLite products: These NSTs are mostly power factor corrected - they use a capacitor inside with an internal safety. If the capacitor went on them they could dead short --- just an idea. Might explain a few things.... your going to need to get into the transformerand do some moddin'
Back to top
kv
Sun Jun 17 2007, 08:25AM
kv Registered Member #809 Joined: Wed May 30 2007, 08:59AM
Location: Melbourne, victoria
Posts: 114
where would the power correction circuits be, in the tar? because there is nothing else outside of the case with the tar and windings in it. Is there any optimum resistance for the secondary, so i can see if it's shorting, would shorted windings cause smaller arcs. What i don't understand is why they just stop working, when i first tested the new one, it worked fine for about 20 seconds then the output just stopped, so i unplugged it and put the wires closer together, still nothing but a bit of humming. So then i touched the two terminal wires together and all i got wass little sparks about 1mm long when they contacted? What the hell is going on here?????
EDIT: the tar is a bit cracked and fragile, but it worked for a sec when i first plugged it in so i don't think the insulation it melted. And your saying there could be a cap inside the transformer shorting it out?
UPDATE: i am just about to stick the nst in the oven and hopfully melt the tar and not he windings, what temperature should it be?, will this melt the winding insulation?
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.