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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat Mar 10 2007, 04:50AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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My first projects were long before the internet existed, and my parents were really disapproving of them because I was really young. But, whenever I had the chance at my grandfather's house we would take old TV sets apart for their gigantic flybacks and attempt to get them working outside of the set. I also tried to get a ladder going from a 2kv 30VA transformer (which I still have), but you know, I was only 12, what did I know.

I guess that means i've been playing with HV for 16 years now, which is as long as some of you guys have been alive, heh, imagine that, now I feel old.
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Dr. Drone
Sun Mar 11 2007, 12:41AM
Dr. Drone Registered Member #290 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 08:24PM
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Extreme Electronics
Sun Mar 11 2007, 09:39PM
Extreme Electronics Registered Member #74 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:17AM
Location: Nottingham UK
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Just to make Chris feel better..

My first large HV project was a tesla coil.

1 1/4" tube wound with 500T of plastic insulated hookup wire with a brass ball cock on the top fed from a 6Kv 20mA NST.

Because I was so eager to see it work, I didn't build anything to support the secondary.

I suspended it over the primary with nylon string. Of course as soon as I got more than a 1/2" spark I set fire to the string. suprised

I then made one of the best choices of my life, I didn't try to catch the secondary as it fell. I ran away...

and that was .... over 25 years ago... cry

Derek
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TheMerovingian
Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:51AM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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The initial infection was dated back in winter 2003 when I was studying phisics II for my chemistry degree, but remained latent since spring when i saw the first flyback driver, so decided do build it. First I did read lots of tutorials since my knowledge of electronics was scarce. When started experimentation with a friend also interested with HV.


My first HV project (it worked) was a small wall transformer with primary stripped run in self resonant flyback with the 2n3055 (I didn't manage to get my hands on a flyback). It made small 5mm sparks before the insulation fails. Decided to stick to a 555 driver but the result was the same. After driving around my town in search of a car repair facility I could get on my hand a Audi-separate-windings-ignition-coil (german technology?). I still remember the beautyful purple spark at high frequency (and resultin corona). All this was in spring 2003. The 555 driver was able to sweep in a large range of frequencies, so i used it also to charge caps at 300V and started the very first experimentation with coilguns (straw + wire + nail) and was amazed with that (since than my knowledge of coilguns is much more improved with 3 models built, 2 simulators and tons of data). The real fun whas when i dissected a PC monitor got from the scrapyard. My girlfriend helped me a bit in collecting the components, but the more important, surprise surprise was the flyback transformer. I plugged it on my driver (using the original primary), brusched the hot wire on the bottom and got a beautiful 1inch purple DC spark. Also i charged some caps got from the monitor to see them sparking. Man how I was amazed. I still remember that ozone smell from corona.

Although my principal interest is Coilgunning, I have lots of flybacks (2 driven in the royer mode), and a small tesla coil.

The first finished coilgun was a tabletop single stage glass tubed coigun with 100J worth of caps, i finished it the day before going on summer holydays.
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Download
Mon Mar 12 2007, 10:30AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
Location: Adelaide Australia
Posts: 230
TheMerovingian wrote ...

The initial infection was dated back in winter 2003 when I was studying phisics II for my chemistry degree, but remained latent since spring when i saw the first flyback driver, so decided do build it. First I did read lots of tutorials since my knowledge of electronics was scarce. When started experimentation with a friend also interested with HV.


My first HV project (it worked) was a small wall transformer with primary stripped run in self resonant flyback with the 2n3055 (I didn't manage to get my hands on a flyback). It made small 5mm sparks before the insulation fails. Decided to stick to a 555 driver but the result was the same. After driving around my town in search of a car repair facility I could get on my hand a Audi-separate-windings-ignition-coil (german technology?). I still remember the beautyful purple spark at high frequency (and resultin corona). All this was in spring 2003. The 555 driver was able to sweep in a large range of frequencies, so i used it also to charge caps at 300V and started the very first experimentation with coilguns (straw + wire + nail) and was amazed with that (since than my knowledge of coilguns is much more improved with 3 models built, 2 simulators and tons of data). The real fun whas when i dissected a PC monitor got from the scrapyard. My girlfriend helped me a bit in collecting the components, but the more important, surprise surprise was the flyback transformer. I plugged it on my driver (using the original primary), brusched the hot wire on the bottom and got a beautiful 1inch purple DC spark. Also i charged some caps got from the monitor to see them sparking. Man how I was amazed. I still remember that ozone smell from corona.

Although my principal interest is Coilgunning, I have lots of flybacks (2 driven in the royer mode), and a small tesla coil.

The first finished coilgun was a tabletop single stage glass tubed coigun with 100J worth of caps, i finished it the day before going on summer holydays.
you couldent get a flyback?
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Myke
Mon Mar 12 2007, 01:30PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
Location: MIT
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Maybe he didn't know where to look or maybe it was a town where they don't put stuff on the side of the curb. He was new to HV and I had a hard time getting a flyback too. It was hard cause I didn't know where too look.
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Steve Conner
Mon Mar 12 2007, 02:27PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Everyone has to start somewhere.
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Marko
Mon Mar 12 2007, 07:14PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
Location: Zadar, Croatia
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I guess that means i've been playing with HV for 16 years now, which is as long as some of you guys have been alive, heh, imagine that, now I feel old.

psssssssssssss, I have been a EE for 22 years at Intel and first Tesla coil built in 1967.....Now we are really talking old, hehe.

I will be a grandpa this year!

Ah, so i'm sort of an opposition to you...
I'm 15 year old teenager and and not much of old seawolf coiler!

Maybe 2 years ago, an OBIT powered Tesla coil was probably my first 'serious' project.

At that time my knowledge was really poor so the coil had humongous, grossly overcoupled helical primary wich flashed over badly and tiny, long secondary in the middle.

At that time I had no clue for importance oc coupling and quenching, so my gap didn't quench at all and from all that coil managed some 10..15cm arcs.

It's still collecting dust in my wardrobe, as it was simply pointless to try fixing it in any way.
I'l try to take pics of it when I manage...

Yet, nothing stopped me from starting to build working DRSSTC's maybe a year later!

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Dr. Slack
Tue Mar 13 2007, 08:52AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
Posts: 1659
My first HV thing (that worked anyway) was way back at the end of the 60s when I was 14. Just as a man was landing on the moon for the first time, I was building better and better igniters for our gas cooker. Our very old platinum catalyst igniter stopped working well when the supply changed from town gas (CO + H) to North Sea gas (CH4). The challenge was something that worked well, but was electrically safe enough for me to be happy with my Mum using it day-in, day-out.

Mk1 was battery powered, moveable contacts at the business end ran DC into a fluorescent tube choke, and created a spark when they broke. Worked well, but the thin contacts made from a steel tape measure burnt fast. It was a proof of concept really, you had to pull a string and it looked like shite. Mk2 had chunky stainless steel rod contacts in a sort of pistol-grip thingy that was more user-friendly. Mk3 was a mains powered mk2. Mk4 is missing from my memory.

I changed tack for Mk5, to get away from moving contacts at the sharp end, and built an all-discrete version of what would now be called a lamp-dimmer powered iggy coil. Dimmers weren't available then, it was my take on capacitor discharge ignition systems that were just becoming popular, with an RC delayed triac to connect a 1uF cap in series with raw mains. The HV went up normal 3A 240V flex to a spark gap fashioned with steel tube and araldite, looking like a stretched car spark-plug. The third core in the flex went to the "on" button. It produced such a hot fat arc at the gap that it burnt the gap out quickly in testing, before the 400v capacitor died taking out the 400v triac. It was just as well that one crashed and burned as, with the direct mains connection, it violated my safety standards.

After the glorious failure and useful experience from the mk5, I went balls-out for safety and design margin on the mk6. Astonishingly it was still working only a few years ago, and was retired rather than binned. It used an isolation transformer, sent low voltage up to the control switch on the wand, was half-wave rectified onto a 0.1uF cap, with an RC delayed thyristor to kick the iggy coil on the other half mains cycle. A fraction of the power of the Mk5, but more than enough to light gas, and to impress visitors. The 600v thyristor and 1000v cap, together with working on half cycles to avoid excess voltage stress, probably contributed to its longevity.

These days I swear at the feeble spark from my Bosch gas hob, and threaten to rebuild the lighter of my youth, but somehow never do.
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Sam
Tue Mar 13 2007, 04:01PM
Sam Registered Member #227 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 10:47PM
Location: Cambridge Ontario, Canada!!
Posts: 127
a couple years ago, i though that IGY coils ran on normal DC... wow....My first project was the IGY coil, I found out that when You take current off the coil, it arcs. so I pused the current my my hand on/off. and make some small arcs... then I built a 555 pulse deal, and tada, HV.
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