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rev

Thu Oct 26 2006, 11:27PM

Registered Member #112 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 01:19AM
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by law and acording to your leese they can enter at anytime. but.... they must first infom you of entry. i'd look over your leese and ask the (crazy) management "was up?"

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Thu Oct 26 2006, 11:29PM

Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
Location: Southern Califorina, USA
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Wow, I would say that you got lucky...

I couldn't imagine what would happen if they decided to do a raid here... I mean we don't have anything illegal (well not much anyway since we gave away my last few rocket motors before the oct 10 deadline when it became a felony to have them

) but when they find the few thousand rounds of ammo, the 2x N2O tanks, 3x acetylene tanks, 3x O2 tanks, argon, co2, the legal APCP, our model rockets, my room

It could have turned out really bad one time... We had been out of the country for the previous week, and when we got back we slept like 2 nights then took out big truck filled with guns/rockets/etc towing the jeep with N2O tanks (for the rockets) a few propane tanks, etc out to the dessert.

Little did we know, the neighbors had called the cops because they thought someone was steeling a car or something, so we were just getting ready to get on the freeway when a cop cuts us off and pulls us over. The thought they were on to something when the last names of my parents didn't match (my mom didn't change her name) and then the addresses on the drivers licenses didn't match (cos the dmv didn't send my mom a new one when we moved) but eventually they decided we were just a family going on vacation.

I can just see them unloading all of the stuff out of the truck in a big line and talking about how there are terrorists with thousands of rounds of ammo, compressed gas cylinders, and even rockets living in the neighborhood

I wonder if there are any legal implications of having a KW worth of 808nm didoes arround?

Chris Russell

Fri Oct 27 2006, 12:04AM

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rev wrote ...

by law and acording to your leese they can enter at anytime. but.... they must first infom you of entry. i'd look over your leese and ask the (crazy) management "was up?"

Read it carefully. They can enter at any time only for the protection and preservation of the premises. For repairs, they have to give 12 hours notice. For all the other purposes set forth in subsection 1, such as inspections or decorating, they have to meet one of four conditions: have consent, have an emergency, be unreasonably denied consent, or the tenant has to be missing from the premises for quite some time. Unless his lease specifically states "landlord may enter at any time for any reason without consent", they have no right to stop by his place for random inspections without his consent.

Carbon_Rod

Fri Oct 27 2006, 02:25AM

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Under the new laws in certain places people can technically hold suspects without trial almost indefinitely.

The world seems to have regressed socially and politically.

Remember to Vote,

EEYORE

Fri Oct 27 2006, 06:13AM

Registered Member #99 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:10PM
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I do believe that the lease provides them access to the apartment. It is a four bedroom deal, meant for 4 total tenants. They claim they had right as per the lease to come into the "common area" (living room) whenever they want. If it wasnt for me being poor, id never had signed that lease.

Oh well, I am in my new place as of right now and am feeling good. I will be witing a letter to the lady who owns the place (shes down on the managment righ tnow anyways) and tell her what her managers do.(she fired all the old ones after an incident with me

)

It is good I wasnt there and good the police saw it my way, otherwise im sure id be destined for an Oprah show sometime..."Poor engineering student accused of terrorism". This thing almost made national news I hear...The media didnt get wind of it in time. Id actually would have enjoyed that...I could see my family watching the news and BAM!An "I told you so son!"

So how many here have had run ins with the law over science?
Matt

Steve Conner

Fri Oct 27 2006, 09:58AM

Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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wrote ...
quote by the seargent in charge of the "bust", "Looks like a very clever, talented engineering student doing what he ought to be doing". "No need to worry".

Good stuff Matt!

It's nice to see there are sensible people in law enforcement who understand that engineering students need to fill their apartments with dangerous looking toys. But it's bad that you should even get busted in the first place. I guess the main problem is people like your maintenance guys who don't know a laser diode from a lump of plutonium.

... isn't all that stuff legal in your state? It sounds like pretty normal baggage for a geek vacation

I guess model rocketry could be thought of as a "Dual use" kind of thing, but I hope anyone who knew anything about explosives could tell from your gear that you didn't mean any harm.

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Fri Oct 27 2006, 10:31PM

Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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Of course it is all legal (I wouldn't post it on a public forum that I had something illegal

)

But the combination of the 'exploives', ammo, the high power rifles that use the ammo, gas cylinders, and full on 10foot long rockets... It wouldn't have been pretty...

Especially considering that it was a grey zone for having the APCP back then, there wasn't anything saying it was legal, but there wasn't really anything that said it was either... I know at least one person that got shut down by the ATF for incorrect permits before the oct 10 ruling.

Simon

Sat Oct 28 2006, 06:07AM

Registered Member #32 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 08:58AM
Location: Australia
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It's good to hear such a sensible response from the law. I've always been a teensy bit worried since our local paper reported someone who had, "OMG, Arabic writing plus wire and bomb-making chemicals in his garage." There was a retraction on page something later.

Nik

Sat Oct 28 2006, 05:25PM

Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
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A fire man showed up at my house in the summer checking for fire extinguishers and smoke alarms. When he got to the laundry room (my work room) he saw my 6in coil, fully assembled, standing in the middle of the room. When he asked what it was for a quickly said "radio" and showed him that I keep an extinguisher in the room.

Conundrum

Sun Oct 29 2006, 02:46PM

Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Heh. Someone over here got busted for possession of a potato cannon (!) and it got me worried.
Some of the equipment I have, though currently unused or surplus could be seen by the Police as "terrorist-related materials" even though there are legitimate uses.

/me wonders how many components of a nuke he has

Was chatting to someone about that spark shooter, and I might have found a way to make a water analog using a specially shaped glass chamber. Stay tuned.
-A

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