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Arjan EMM
Fri Feb 27 2015, 05:36PM
Arjan EMM Registered Member #149 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 09:11AM
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Same settings for scope and functgen. Only now the 1n5408 being tested.

1425058459 149 FT169216 Wp 20150227 18 27 35 Pro


Sorry for the double post. I couldn't upload another picture to the original post..
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klugesmith
Sat Feb 28 2015, 03:36AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Thank you for the practical method and measurements.

Here's a popular, if cumbersome, trick for adding new pictures when you edit a message here. Maybe it's in a 4hv FAQ somewhere.

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Conundrum
Sat Feb 28 2015, 04:20AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Has a scope and function generator thanks to a generous guy from Polar smile smile
Only required a fuse too, looks like the exact part was unobtainable as it was not a standard size.

Also received from FEC /element 14 some 200 BYG21M-E3/TR 1.5A 1000V fast diodes so if anyone would like some PM me and we can come to some arrangement ie component swappage.

I did notice that many "budget" (cough Greedbay /cough) diodes are anything but fast, sure they may take 40KV but are slower than a slug in ice cold treacle electrically speaking. (ie start to run away at less than 300Hz!)
This means your bargain diodes may be utterly useless for running off anything but a homemade low frequency transformer which means custom windings and a lot of hair pulling and teeth grinding.

Lesson learned, if the seller advertises a speed divide it by two and if still within spec order a few first test THEN order lots and don't be afraid to confront them with the test data if they don't work.

Also an idea I had is to use pulse trains ie normally 140Hz but every few hundred ms a train of 10kHz pulses applied with a separate transformer winding to get the extra power without heating the diodes.

I think this is being used on some LED lamps to get around the 50Hz (60) flicker problem but not sure, maybe someone has a schematic?

-A

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Arjan EMM
Mon Mar 16 2015, 08:06PM
Arjan EMM Registered Member #149 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 09:11AM
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Antonio wrote ...

The HVR-1X diodes seem to be the same thing. The datasheet mentions 50 ns of recovery time, and shows a test circuit.
I just measured one, a hvr-1x the same way as in my previous posts. at 10kHz +- 15 V square wave. rise time 7 ns through 50 Ohms.
The first 2.5 us it fully conducts. Then exponential decay towards blocking takes about 20 uS, 90% rectifying.
It actually got warm in this measurement !!!
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Conundrum
Tue Mar 17 2015, 02:33AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Useful data, thanks.
Might be worth trying this with my diodes, the performance at 20V should be the same as at 20KV with a scaling factor.
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