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Propeller Physics and VABs Program.

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Patrick
Sun Jan 04 2015, 08:32PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Im having trouble understanding this picture:

1420403530 2431 FT167327 Propqqq
Is it a crossection?

i belive the table equates to the ticks on the foam?
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Dr. Slack
Sun Jan 04 2015, 09:50PM
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Maybe x axis is position on the aerofoil, and y axis is magnitude of the pressure, probably normal to the surface. If you integrate vertically, you'll get the total lift, if you integrate horizontally, the total drag, taking account of the surface normal.

but it might not be.
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Patrick
Sun Jan 04 2015, 10:53PM
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i didnt realize he maybe meaning the y being magnitude of presure, or lack of.
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Ash Small
Mon Jan 05 2015, 12:01AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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When I glanced at the graphs, I assumed one axis was (EDIT: proportional to) Cl and the other Cd, but I didn't fully analyse it.

It's definitely a high disc loading prop, though.
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Andy
Mon Jan 05 2015, 01:59AM
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Patrick the lower side is the direction of rotaion, the larger area end is the hub.
With the top graph, don,t worry about the angle the linear line is, that can or should be horinztail, the x axis is width, the y axis is height, it is the shape the bottom wood blade should be cut to.

The theory is pretty much the drag goes in the oppisite dierction to lift, and what would be good for left, if moved to the bottom or back of the prop will be bad. You have a 180 cicrle with two 45 degree lines which the diection of force comes from, the blade is then changed to make the stuff going into the wind, dierction of rotation have high force, while the back has force going the opposite dierection and needs to be minmized by make the force point out from the hub, while the lift part point into the hub to support rotation.
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Patrick
Fri Jan 09 2015, 05:01PM
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Im going to petition for an independent study class, and launch a related kickstarter. Once i have some funding, i think ill make more headway faster. we'll be able to see larger props from the chinese, and if there any good.
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Ash Small
Fri Jan 09 2015, 05:53PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Im going to petition for an independent study class, and launch a related kickstarter. Once i have some funding, i think ill make more headway faster. we'll be able to see larger props from the chinese, and if there any good.

Why not feed some data into VABS and XFOIL now that we've established what the relevant data is?
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Patrick
Sun Jan 11 2015, 09:54PM
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i dont know how to use vabs, i think we'll have to go with XFOIL.
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Ash Small
Mon Jan 12 2015, 12:04PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

i dont know how to use vabs, i think we'll have to go with XFOIL.

VABS, from what I've read, will be more useful for working out the forces in the blade, but XFOIL will be useful in working out the profile.

I don't have access to a 64 bit machine, so can't run VABS.

EDIT: We don't need VABS, we can just calculate how much CF is required in the blades.
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Patrick
Tue Jan 13 2015, 05:48AM
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lets focus of cross sections, ill test CF and figure out safety and make-ability.
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