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Etching Tank, H2O2 + HCl, (Ant Farm Type).

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Dédé!
Tue Feb 10 2015, 07:05AM
Dédé! Registered Member #4932 Joined: Thu May 17 2012, 01:42PM
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Maybe the mafia does it that way, but then there would still be a body to find. If you want to dispose of a body, alkaline hydrolysis Is the way. It's even an alternative to burial and cremation in some countries and it's supposedly more eco-friendly. That way you can kill someone and be happy you disposed of him/her in one of the most eco-friendly ways possible. You can even flush the remains through the drain after you've neutralized them with some acid. If you're next to a resomation facility and you don't let any evidence lay behind, your chances of getting caught are about the lowest. You can thank me later :)
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Patrick
Thu Apr 23 2015, 07:38PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok got some new information related to this thread.

Seen below are pics taken from a new attempt at etching. Ive learned some lessons and wanted to pass them on.
First i found a hair salon that sells aqueous (not gel garbage) at 16% H2O2. Next i used straight 30 mol HCl. Being carefful to add acid slowly to water, I filled a ketchup cup with about 10% H2O2, then 90% HCl by volume. Then being careful not to kill myself, i found scrap circuit board and put it in. After about 1:20 to 1:40 minutes, the board was clear on both sides with no agitation.

Be careful adding to much H2O2, remember your adding mostly water to the reaction solution. the oxygenation is driving the reaction not the water. So after your getting a good vigorous fuming etching, and it then it starts to wain, swish in some air this reaction seems to like plain ol' air just fine. (be careful not to kill yourself doing it)

If one were to use the vertical tank then youd need to be sooper-dooper sure it doesnt over flow out and splatter everywhere.

I bought all new sharpie markers, and will next test under-cut and pin holing. Previously it would take 45-60 minutes to etch what you see below. and there would be defects from over etch in places.

This was 2oz copper.

1429817933 2431 FT165532 Hcl1



1429817933 2431 FT165532 Hcl2



1429817933 2431 FT165532 Hcl3
I didnt pour it out on the ground either. Keep a hose running too.


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klugesmith
Fri Apr 24 2015, 04:01AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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To conserve "etchant" chemicals,
you can etch copper-clad material with plain salt water and electric current.
Up to the point where areas that still need etching become disconnected from the current source.
I have never tried it in a quantitative way, but figure 50 coulombs (0.83 ampere-minutes) can remove 1 square cm of 1 oz copper.

One criminal known to have dissolved many corpses was serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Patrick
Tue Apr 28 2015, 07:03PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Im wondering if i can print at least large traces via 3D printer, then etch, and see if theres much under cutting.
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Patrick
Fri May 08 2015, 05:50AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ive noticed a new type of "Sharpie" marker, its meant for industrial use, high temp and otherwise un-preferred surfaces. Ill purchase one and make a comparison.
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Patrick
Thu May 21 2015, 09:51PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ive got this new sharpie, will try it in the HCl solution soon.
1432245070 2431 FT165532 Sharpie
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Dago
Fri May 22 2015, 05:14AM
Dago Registered Member #538 Joined: Sun Feb 18 2007, 08:33PM
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The problem with HCl based etchants is that the fumes will rust EVERYTHING nearby.

My chemist friend said he wouldn't store the solution inside, and hes not really known for being overly cautious :P
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Patrick
Sat May 23 2015, 04:27AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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ive always done it outside with a hose running.
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