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Yes, women actually have fewer ribs EVR.
I remembered something cool that happened to me a while back. I was talking to this guy from a metal band, and he told me he was a Satanist.
Hey Steve, don't embrace the dark side..
AFAIK, even back while we were little kids, they never taught as (and yes at catechism) to interpret beggining of the bible literally.
Ribs argue looks just silly...
From little I know nowhere in bible is writen that it writes about true scientific facts adn that earth is 20000y old, and that devil himself created everything ''else'' to fool our faith
Anyway, isn't big bang, evolution and stuff anyway a sort of creation?
And seems to be much more scientifically approved than making god some kind of magician who conjures things and a surgeon...
There are several studies that suggest that intellignece does not affect peoples tendency to accept beliefs as truths. There are also studies that suggest that people with higher education are more likely to believe in complete nonsense. In any case it seems to be little difference between people in their ability to be critical.
Woot! This confirms that my inteligence is pretty low as I rarely believe in nonsense...
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The following website has some interesting information on the subject of creationism vs. evolution. I haven't read much of it, so I can't say for sure if it is an unbiased site or slanted toward one argument or the other, however from a quick look it does appear to be biased toward the evolution argument.
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From little I know nowhere in bible is writen that it writes about true scientific facts adn that earth is 20000y old
It does not, one interpretation is that the earth is 20 0000 years old but it depends on a series of assumptions, the same is true for other interpretations. Nowhere in the bible is any age specified directly.
and that devil himself created everything ''else'' to fool our faith
It does say that the devil plays such tricks and when you have the choice between the creator discrediting himself or the devil discrediting him then the choice is quite logical if we assume that the earth is young since we find evidence to the contrary.
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He's right,as far as I know, we (as Creationists) don't know if the earth is 6,000; 22,000; or millions of years old. That is based on speculation from the time periods when they think certain parts of the Bible were written. That is IIRC. If we are able to prove it, however, that would basically kill Evolution as we know it. I think that's why some people are so adimate about it.
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What do you think of Darwin's finches? They are a collection of birds that live in the Galapagos Islands, all more or less the same apart for having different sizes and shapes of beaks, each adapted for eating different kinds of food. Over the years scientists have watched the populations of the various beak shapes change, as changes in the climate affect how much of the different kinds of food there is around.
That's an actual demonstration of natural selection at work in the wild. In fact they're called Darwin's finches because it was seeing them that inspired Darwin to come up with the theory of natural selection (and hence evolution) in the first place.
It's not conclusive proof that we're a bunch of bald monkeys who figured out some neat tricks with fire and metal, but it's quite compelling.
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"You're onto something here Scavenger! Adam and Eve always have belly buttons in those classical paintings. This could be the straw that finally breaks the creationist camp's back " Or the artists didn't think about it at the time or (an oddity here) Since "man was created in God's image" perhaps it's just that God has a navel.
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Bored Chemist wrote ...
"You're onto something here Scavenger! Adam and Eve always have belly buttons in those classical paintings. This could be the straw that finally breaks the creationist camp's back " Or the artists didn't think about it at the time or (an oddity here) Since "man was created in God's image" perhaps it's just that God has a navel.
Actually i said it, not Scavenger. Who is to say Adam and Eve are humans anyways? Perhaps they represent the first proteins which formed and evolution took over from there.
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Steve Connor wrote ... Personally, I think what religious folk call "God" and what scientists call "The laws of physics" are both manifestations of the same thing.
The difference is that when the "laws of physics" are wrong, they are "usually" revised. When God is wrong, you are a heretic.
Bored Chemist wrote ... Or the artists didn't think about it at the time or (an oddity here) Since "man was created in God's image" perhaps it's just that God has a navel.
God has a navel because he was born from Mary....who was descended from Adam and Eve. Thus we have a causal loop, and the universe ceases to exist....good job.
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Perhaps man ought to stop trying to convince each other they are correct, and accept the fact that we likely will not explain the universe. As a christian, I doubt God wants any of us to prove He exists anyways. If I knew He existed rather than believed, I would not really have an opportunity to make a decision. Id know, simple as that with no faith needed at all! Satan knows God is real as well Im am willing to bet God would have us seek Him out via methods used by those in the Bible, rather than use science to attempt to force others to acknowledge Him. Remember, this is just from my christian point of view, assuming God does exist. The Bible wasnt meant to explain things, unlike Hesiod's Theogany and Works and Days, it is meant to show the reader what God is like, how to seek Him him, and how we ought to please Him. Id rather not try to guess what God is up to, as I dont believe am inperfect entity ( me) could ever understand a perfect one (God, if He exists, is likely perfect, no?) The Bible cannot be taken literally(in many circumstances), nor should it be. As for my own explanation?I have theory, but do not wish to discuss such things, as they are simply theory, with many unknown variables.
I never would expect a non-believer to believe based on an explanation...That would be rediculous to think anyone has "the answer" anyways. I feel both sides should relax, and admit that we both believe different things, and cannot prove anything.
Although I side with the Christians, I do not feel either side has enough ammo to prove anything...Perhaps the conflict lays within the fact that Science is based on fact, and thus far, neither side can fully jive with it. The Bible is all about faith, the polar opposite of science, and evolution is based on theory.... One things for sure, we can all enjoy a cold beer together! Matt
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Evolution vs. Creationism
