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blagus
Thu Jun 05 2014, 07:11PM Print
blagus Registered Member #9222 Joined: Wed Jan 02 2013, 03:01PM
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Hi.
I was fascinated by AMDRSSTC so I decided to build one.
After a couple of months of obtaining parts and everything, I finally finished it a few days ago.
Specs:
- primary: flat spiral, 6 turns, 15,3uH
- secondary: wire 0,58mm, winding length 570mm, tube diameter 160mm. Together with vent-tube torus it gives ~150kHz fres
- MMC: 8x CDE 942C20P15K, 75nF. fres of the primary is also about 150kHz
- driver: Steve's 2008 driver, schematic 1.3b
- power circuitry: full bridge 40N60
- interrupter: should be uzzors2k's MIDI, but for the first test I made one from Steve's DRSSTC-1 (it was the easiest one to make).
The problem is that it gives 3mm sparks on full 220V AC from mains (rectified to 310-320V). I don't see what could be wrong.
Voltmeter connected to mains filtering caps gets off scale when set to 1000V when I attach the interrupter, but the current draw on the variac is almost none (it has the 10A ammeter). Also, I can't get the OCD to trip no matter what, which means there's no rise in current.
After 10 minutes of run on 220V IGBTs and MMC remained cold.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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Doubl3 Helix
Fri Jun 06 2014, 12:46AM
Doubl3 Helix Registered Member #1548 Joined: Mon Jun 16 2008, 09:22PM
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Hello blagus, welcome to the forums!

Could you post a schematic of your circuit as well as perhaps some pictures of your setup? We'll be able to help more if we have more to work with!

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Feathers
Sat Jun 07 2014, 05:07AM
Feathers Registered Member #10052 Joined: Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:31PM
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Welcome!
Given the output you see and the current readings, it would appear as though your coil isn't working :P

Pictures of all the major components will help us help you.
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blagus
Sat Jun 07 2014, 03:40PM
blagus Registered Member #9222 Joined: Wed Jan 02 2013, 03:01PM
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I'm not able to take any pictures of it before Tuesday, but I definitively will.

Anyways, I just thought of something I did that might be a problem:
In this schematic, see the GDT wiring. On the left side, upper IGBT has GDT wired in one way, and inverted on the lower one. On the right side the wiring is the opposite of left side wiring.
But, I connected left and right side the same way and made the actual swap on the pin header connections on driver board, thinking that will do the trick... Or maybe not - the more I think of it, the more I realize how stupid I was when I thought of it.
I just need the confirmation that this is the problem (but I'm sure it is).
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TwirlyWhirly555
Sat Jun 07 2014, 04:04PM
TwirlyWhirly555 Registered Member #4104 Joined: Fri Sept 23 2011, 06:54PM
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On the full bridge the Top Left IGBT and bottom Right IGBT should be phased the same , then the top right and bottom left should be phased the same but opposite in phase to the other two .

Are you running two GDTs or one ? if you are running two and have them wired with one on each leg and they are wired the same , then swapping over the primary phasing on one of the GDT would be fine as it would then be opposite the other . ( instead of top left and right in phase , top left and bottom right would be in phase )

If you are getting an output from the secondary that would suggest the phasing for the GDT is fine ?
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blagus
Sat Jun 07 2014, 08:58PM
blagus Registered Member #9222 Joined: Wed Jan 02 2013, 03:01PM
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I'm running two 1:1:1 GDTs. I did see that winding it on iron ring taken from ATX PSU is not the best option, but still I can't believe that it would impact the performance by SUCH a degree.

Regarding the signal on gate, I did some quick measurements but it was only to see if the signal is coming out of the driver, I didn't take any notes. I remember short, low duty cycle, 24V pulses on one output, and positive short pulses on another output (second pair of MOSFETs), but with lower voltage (somewhere about 5V). I was also measuring signal at the GDT secondaries, but I can't remember what exactly I saw there.
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TwirlyWhirly555
Sat Jun 07 2014, 09:59PM
TwirlyWhirly555 Registered Member #4104 Joined: Fri Sept 23 2011, 06:54PM
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Running the GDT at 150Khz with iron ring cores is probably the problem .

You need ferrite , who knows what the signal is on the gates otherwise
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blagus
Sat Jun 07 2014, 10:22PM
blagus Registered Member #9222 Joined: Wed Jan 02 2013, 03:01PM
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Hmm, well finding a proper ferrite core will probably be a bit of a problem. Could it really impact the performances so much? I'll check with oscilloscope in a couple of days.

Is there anything else that could be the problem (besides Steve telling me to check feedback CT - which is also wound on iron core).

One more thing: what I noticed is that GDT-driving MOSFETs are making some weird noise, like it's arcing somewhere, as soon as they're loaded with anything (even when hooked up just to the oscilloscope). Is that normal at 150kHz or what?
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Mads Barnkob
Sun Jun 08 2014, 07:06AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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blagus wrote ...

Hmm, well finding a proper ferrite core will probably be a bit of a problem. Could it really impact the performances so much? I'll check with oscilloscope in a couple of days.

Is there anything else that could be the problem (besides Steve telling me to check feedback CT - which is also wound on iron core).

One more thing: what I noticed is that GDT-driving MOSFETs are making some weird noise, like it's arcing somewhere, as soon as they're loaded with anything (even when hooked up just to the oscilloscope). Is that normal at 150kHz or what?

A litte noise from the GDT and switches is normal, what you can hear is the mechanical stress/losses in the material.

The iron core toroids you are using will be far into saturation at 150kHz and will therefore not pass any signals in a nice manner, if anything passes it will be heavily distorted and damped. You do need some proper ferrite cores that will work at these frequencies. Try find a core of N30 material with a AL value over 5000.
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zzz_julian_zzz
Mon Jun 09 2014, 02:44AM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
Location: Valenzuela City
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if you said, you saw some 3mm sparks, then one comes first into my mind:
1. bridge is working, but feedback signal is not working properly (out of phase)
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