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Giant Wimshurst Machine - could use some guidance

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Tony Matt
Fri Sept 05 2014, 09:49PM
Tony Matt Registered Member #3700 Joined: Sat Feb 19 2011, 12:59PM
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Ya,

The corona inside the jars may be seen with a small mirror and dark roon.

The dark room will allow you see any eventual corona with all machine running.

To check the insulation your plywood you may connect a piece of plywwood between the alive terminals of the jars and sse a reduction in the spark lenght.

Wath is the thickness of the pvc insulation in th jars ?
Are the armature (external aluminun electrode conected by a solid wire or by the wood base?

Maybe you try use 4 jars connected in series and see the spark length.

Regards

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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Fri Sept 05 2014, 11:46PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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The only thing that I can think of is to lower dissipative losses. The wood is going to act like a very large resistor, especially on a moist day, so getting the wood sealed while very dry may be something to look into. Also, if the wood is being used as an insulator, that may have to be changed for plastic.

very pretty machines!
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Antonio
Sat Sept 06 2014, 01:16AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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The wood disks at the centers surely cause leakage. You could use acrylic, or HDPE (cutting boards) instead of wood with the same mechanical function.
The thin bars of the charge collectors around the disks cause corona, and more leakage. Use thick tubes there, that can also be wood parts with wires inside. Look at other conductors connected to the terminals. They shall be always thick, without points or sharp corners.
I am not sure of the effect of those triple-ball terminals. I like to use double balls, with the smaller ball with diameter around 1/8 of the desired spark length, and the bigger ball two times or more larger.
Arrange the terminals so the positive terminal is inclined in the direction of the negative. This produces the longest spark length. It is easy to find what is the positive, since if you incline the negative terminal in the direction of the positive only small sparks can be obtained.
The Leyden jars must have metal foil inside and outside. The connection to the inner terminal may be anything that produces a good contact with the internal foil. Chains may be not the best option. The connection between the outer foils must be good too. If you use tubes, the bottoms of the tubes must be solidly sealed, and this is not easy. A plastic plug fixed with hot glue may work.
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RAJEEV TUTEJA
Sat Sept 06 2014, 03:46AM
RAJEEV TUTEJA Registered Member #46265 Joined: Sun May 11 2014, 06:01PM
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DEAR TONY, HAZMATT, ANTONIO

the machine has already been sent to the the customer for approval.
he wants 10 -15 pcs of these. am leaving today to Mumbai (Bombay) to reassable it there, as you can see in the attached photos, many things were taken off for portability, easy, and safe transportation. Mumbai is about 1800 Kms. from Ambala Cantt where i am situated.
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions will try there.
thanks once again but keep posting more suggestions they are needed all the time.
regards
RAJEEV TUTEJA
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Tony Matt
Sat Sept 06 2014, 09:21PM
Tony Matt Registered Member #3700 Joined: Sat Feb 19 2011, 12:59PM
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Hi Rajeev !

I am happy you already made a nice machine, and you got the oportunity to improve the design as much you want .

Cheers

Tony
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