There's nothing fundamentally wrong with a warmed Earth ... / General Chatting / Forums

Forums

4hv.org :: Forums :: General Chatting

« Previous topic | Next topic »

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with a warmed Earth ...

previous 1 2 3 next

Move Thread

LAN_403

Ash Small

Wed Apr 09 2014, 12:18PM

Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245

I think some here may be putting too much trust in the 'propaganda' issued by 'big business'.

I too have first hand experience of the effects of the burning of the residue of concentrated 'industrial herbicides' in their original plastic containers, and the similarity of the 'part burnt' combustion products with chemicals used in Vietnam, etc.

I heard only yesterday that Nestle, one of the biggest food companies in the world, is going into developing countries and 'buying' all the stocks of drinking water, leaving the inhabitants with nothing to drink.

(there are plenty of other links out there) This comes not long after the 'Nestle formula milk' scandal (plenty of links out there too)

One of the 'big' stories in Europe at the moment concerns the proposed 'trans-atlantic trade agreement', and the fact that the US is demanding that it's own food companies should not have to mark GM food sold in Europe as 'GM food'.

I think sometimes some here forget that these companies are about as trustworthy as TEPCO.

Shrad

Thu Apr 10 2014, 07:01AM

Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
Location:
Posts: 780

the basic scheme is that one

war produced chemicals in astronomic quantities
war ended
astronomic quantities of chemicals left
need to compensate for losses
develop commercial products (soap, herbicid, fertilizers, plastics)
it works, lets make more profit
produce more chemicals
get laid in consortium and buy people with the media
get advertising to the level it is today
take profit for the products AND the whole process of creating them

who would not think about a few elite governing the world?

Uspring

Thu Apr 10 2014, 08:22AM

Registered Member #3988 Joined: Thu Jul 07 2011, 03:25PM
Location:
Posts: 711

Shrad wrote:

As far as climate change, I totally agree that there is no global warming but a global change

Andy

Sat Apr 12 2014, 06:38PM

Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
Location:
Posts: 874

Uspring, how many points in the ocean did they measure. I have heard data that anyone 15 and under hasn't seen global warning.
I wonder if the remove the extreme peaks from the data(up or down), and write it off as abnormal.
They have removed the temp sensors from the country side, and use the ones in town/citys, that will show a high temperature.

As long as they say its caused by humans and not the sun, I will support the deniers,

Ash Small

Sat Apr 12 2014, 07:59PM

Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245

I'm of the opinion that we are releasing back into the environment a LOT of hazardous substances, heavy metals, etc. that were 'fixed' and removed from the environment millions of years ago, when fossil fuels were formed.

I'm also of the opinion that before these substances were removed from the environment modern lifeforms like us couldn't have evolved or developed.

Hundreds of thousands are already dying from pollution related illnesses.

Ash Small

Sun Apr 13 2014, 11:21PM

Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245

Uspring

Tue Apr 15 2014, 11:21AM

Registered Member #3988 Joined: Thu Jul 07 2011, 03:25PM
Location:
Posts: 711

Andy wrote:

Uspring, how many points in the ocean did they measure. I have heard data that anyone 15 and under hasn't seen global warning...
They have removed the temp sensors from the country side, and use the ones in town/citys, that will show a high temperature.

Temperatures have been taken at numerous locations, e.g. non urban areas, weather balloons, ocean water, air above ocean water, satellite...
They all show the same trend.

I wonder if the remove the extreme peaks from the data(up or down), and write it off as abnormal.

You could disregard the recent rise of temperature extremes, since the extremes just do happen. A statistic of extremes shows, that the amplitude of extremes is not unnormal, but the recent high number of them can be explained by normal weather variations on top of a global increase of average temperature.

As long as they say its caused by humans and not the sun, I will support the deniers,

The sun indeed does play a role, although at much larger time scales. Ice ages and the warmer periods inbetween are caused by Milankovic cycles about every 100k years. These are due to changes in the earth orbit and the earth rotational axis. The corresponding temperature increases are followed by an increase of CO2 content of the atmosphere. This is due to the fact, that a warmer ocean can hold less dissolved CO2.
The temperature variations between ice ages and the warm periods between are much larger, than what can be explained by solar input alone. This is an indication, that the change of CO2 also plays a role. Aside from this is there is a the physical effect of CO2 due to its absorbtion of IR radiation.

There are tons of information and pros and cons about this in the internet. My advice is to disregard sites aimed at damaging the reputation on either side and look at the data.

HV Enthusiast

Tue Apr 15 2014, 03:34PM

Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
Location:
Posts: 3068

Unfortunately, the debate over climate change is not really scientific at all. Yes, data collected and trends collected are based on scientific measurements, but in the end, its conclusions and how the data is interpreted is purely political and ideological.

Both the conservative right and the liberal left will continue to fund their own think tank and scientifici studies for thousands a years to come and the results and conclusions from those studies will always be biased towards the ones funding those studies.

Proof of this is that SCARY new term throw about by the liberal newstations - the POLAR VORTEX!!! ooohhhh scary. Evil corporations are causing GLOBAL WARMING and creating these horrific POLAR VORTICES which will destroy the world just like in the recent disaster movie that came out a few years ago.

Ash Small

Tue Apr 15 2014, 05:04PM

Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4245

EVR wrote ...

Both the conservative right and the liberal left will continue to fund their own think tank and scientifici studies for thousands a years to come and the results and conclusions from those studies will always be biased towards the ones funding those studies.

In thousands of years the only humans still living on this planet are likely to have been living under glass domes for millenia. Obviously, the conservative right will be in a better position to be able to build and maintain the 'artificial environment' that will be required, and the liberal left will probably be extinct, as robots will require less maintenance than 'workers', but there are plenty of movies that depict this scenario.

HV Enthusiast

Tue Apr 15 2014, 06:08PM

Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
Location:
Posts: 3068

Ash Small wrote ...

Great movie too!

Elysium!!!

previous 1 2 3 next

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob