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AllisonS wrote ...
If this is a piece of equipment that you will be using yourself (demonstration purpose) , and not selling to another individual or company, there is no need for CE certification.
A company asked me to build one, they will pay for everyting, but I will operate it.
If this is a piece of equipment that you will be using yourself (demonstration purpose) , and not selling to another individual or company, there is no need for CE certification.
I've bought stuff from Information Unlimited definitely not CE certified and not conforming to any EMI standards. It easily cleared german customs. I guess it is not legal to run it outside some shielding here.
omegalabs wrote:
A company asked me to build one, they will pay for everyting, but I will operate it.
I'm not a lawyer but there must be special provisions for equipment built only once regarding certification. In the Deutsche Museum in Munich, e.g., there is a high voltage show. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't conform to EMI standards inside the building. Maybe you can talk the company in taking over liability if anybody gets hurt.
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omegalabs wrote ...
Sulaiman wrote ...
AFAIK if an item is not included under the CE categories (which this coil will not be) then it is an offence to put a CE logo....i.e. can not be certified.
As I heard, everyting must have a CE certification, which is sold/rent inside EU.
I just bought a GoPro here in Norway. It does not have CE marking. But it does have China Export marking. CE marking hasn't got the power it used to before. For "some offs" like this, there is definitely a greyzone.
I would sell them "submodules" and let them do the CE certification (or take the risk themselves). If they do the final assembly, they are liable.
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Storken wrote ...
omegalabs wrote ...
Sulaiman wrote ...
AFAIK if an item is not included under the CE categories (which this coil will not be) then it is an offence to put a CE logo....i.e. can not be certified.
As I heard, everyting must have a CE certification, which is sold/rent inside EU.
I just bought a GoPro here in Norway. It does not have CE marking. But it does have China Export marking. CE marking hasn't got the power it used to before. For "some offs" like this, there is definitely a greyzone.
I would sell them "submodules" and let them do the CE certification (or take the risk themselves). If they do the final assembly, they are liable.
If the authority is not checking if a CE mark is on a product or not, there won't be any problem. They simply don't have time to check every single thing.
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omegalabs wrote ...
If the authority is not checking if a CE mark is on a product or not, there won't be any problem. They simply don't have time to check every single thing.
Now lets not forget that the CE marking is a insurance that a producer guarantees that the product upholds a certain quality of safety measure towards humans and other electronics.
Any further speculation in avoiding authority checks or disregarding safety will get this thread closed.
Just because the police is not watching when you cross a red light does not make it right to do so, safe for you or others.
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Mads Barnkob wrote ...
omegalabs wrote ...
If the authority is not checking if a CE mark is on a product or not, there won't be any problem. They simply don't have time to check every single thing.
Now lets not forget that the CE marking is a insurance that a product upholds a certain quality of safety measure towards humans and other electronics.
Any further speculation in avoiding authority checks or disregarding safety will get this thread closed.
Just because the police is not watching when you cross a red light does not make it right to do so, safe for you or others.
The point of the thread is how to get papers, and license, not avoiding them.
(19) Due to their specific characteristics, fixed installations need not be subject to the affixation of the ‘CE’ marking or to the declaration of conformity.
This sounds promising, but I'm not sure if this coil is a fixed installation, as the festivals are in different places.
EDIT: as I read the entire document, the answer is no.
" 1. For the purposes of this Directive, the following definitions shall apply: (a) ‘equipment’ means any apparatus or fixed installation; (b) ‘apparatus’ means any finished appliance or combination thereof made commercially available as a single functional unit, intended for the end user and liable to generate electromagnetic disturbance, or the performance of which is liable to be affected by such disturbance;
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2. For the purposes of this Directive the following shall be deemed to be an apparatus within the meaning of paragraph 1(b):
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(b) ‘mobile installations’ defined as a combination of apparatus and, where applicable, other devices, intended to be moved and operated in a range of locations. "
What I see is that the CE certification will be enough for a tesla coil, as it contains electromagnetic compability measurements too.
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If you look under Article 2: definitions in the directive you linked to, you will see that a fixed installation is merely made up of one or more apparatuses, which needs a declaration of conformity.
As suggested earlier your best bet is to take contact to museums with Tesla coils and ask about their certification. You will get nowhere looking in laws regarding electrical conformity as they are written in law text and only very broad descriptions are provided.
If you want to read about how to uphold the law, you have to look in the standards, f.ex. EN60204-1.
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Mads Barnkob wrote ...
If you look under Article 2: definitions in the directive you linked to, you will see that a fixed installation is merely made up of one or more apparatuses, which needs a declaration of conformity.
As suggested earlier your best bet is to take contact to museums with Tesla coils and ask about their certification. You will get nowhere looking in laws regarding electrical conformity as they are written in law text and only very broad descriptions are provided.
If you want to read about how to uphold the law, you have to look in the standards, f.ex. EN60204-1.
I just updated my post in the same time you answered :) Yes, it says all clearly, with definitions.
As for contact, I contacted one company, which is for CE markings here, they still thinking what to do, but I have a meeting with them thursday.
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