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Proud Mary

Sat Jan 18 2014, 01:03AM

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Andy, it would help you to get a better handle on some of the issues involved in your questions around what is called the global atmospheric electrical circuit if you were to learn what you can from this Wikipedia entry about Atmospheric Electricity:

Andy

Sat Jan 18 2014, 06:48AM

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Cheers ProudMary , I think the field is reversed from what I read, the ground has negative charges, it would be more 10km up to 30km instead of 10km down to ground?
Schumann_resonance

seems interesting, 7.8hz would probable make the ionosphere fluctuate at that or multiples.

If the air from 30km to ground is 0.00001pF +- having a inductor in >100kH might be needed...

Proud Mary

Sat Jan 18 2014, 07:16AM

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Andy wrote ...

Cheers ProudMary , I think the field is reversed from what I read, the ground has negative charges, it would be more 10km up to 30km instead of 10km down to ground?
Schumann_resonance

seems interesting, 7.8hz would probable make the ionosphere fluctuate at that or multiples.

If the air from 30km to ground is 0.00001pF +- having a inductor in >100kH might be needed...

The Schumann Resonances are indeed very interesting, especially the possibility that they may exist on other planets where we might be able to detect and learn something from them.

As I have suggested to you in another thread, you really must make more effort to specify the Object of your investigation as precisely as you can, and where these figures you keep producing actually come from, because without this most basic framework of scientific method no one can understand what you are trying to get at, and where you may have gone wrong.

Andy

Sat Jan 18 2014, 07:50AM

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ProudMary ,all I've got so far
There is alot of voltage potential in the ionosphere that I would like to drain to a source on earth, for use.
The basic principle that I have so far is to move ground away from the ground plane of earth, to do that I'll be using tinfoil and plastic poly sheets to make thousands of capacitors in series, with the top plate haveing a large capacitance of 1-10uF, which will take the full voltage, it should be about 50cm high with about 1m2.
I was planning on building a inductor in the kilo Hernery range like the picture below, it should be about 1m2 with 0.5cm iron rod 10cm long , with approx 200turns 24awg mag wire per rod, with about guessamate 1000 rods.
This will be connected in "some way" to have the back voltage pointed at ground to low its pontenial.
Plane two is to use a MOT and a negative voltage doubler.
Haveing two rods of Al 5meters high with a sparkgap connected them at the top.
I need high frequency to make the leakage current through the dialectic of air, and above, to do that using some type of passive filter.
If I can't make the air radiate at high frequency I can make the fake ground, or real ground on the bottom thousandth cap thing have the frequency on it, with the tips of the 5meter rods, were the circuit is.

Cheers

Proud Mary

Sat Jan 18 2014, 09:11AM

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Andy, I think you'll enjoy looking at Lightning Rockets - US Patent 6597559 which describes a system of firing rockets trailing a wire to attract and control lightning strikes:

and this one: Lightning Directing System - United States Patent 7915525

Don't forget that the existence of a US Patent is no guarantee that the invention described will actually do what is claimed!

Andy

Sat Jan 18 2014, 10:29PM

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Will do cheers

Drawing up a rough design of what might do something, doing some experiments it is reading about 100mV +- 30mV per meter per length, connecting a three stage doubler to a 12volt supply, is showing 6volt plus the above values with the caps about 0.5meter away from the doubler and the antenna about 1.5meters away, guessing its stray capacitance, wireing the positive side of the doubler fixes it at 28volt.

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Test 1

Reading 55.3 volts from the multi, with one stage doubler from 12 volt source. The doubler has 36volt, with ground supplying 19volt

Edit , interesting link about wireless power transfer,

, the coils seem to be to extended the field, im guess by make domain poles of lining up the fields parallel to each other.

Andy

Sun Jan 19 2014, 07:59AM

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I was wondering if someone could check these numbers, and if a 16.66mhz signal would make ions at 30km resonate oe=r 1km above ground. I don't know much about cyclotrons and if this could be useful.

q 1.602176565E-019
B 6.00E-007
m 9.10938291E- 034

f 16,793,317

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E 10
T 6.00E-008

B 0.0000006
Hz 16,666,667

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V 300000
d 30000

E 10

How would you make a standing wave

with a electronic circuit.

Cheers everyone for the help

Andy

Mon Jan 20 2014, 02:24AM

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Test 2
Getting >1000volt from the setup, the thing has a frequency of 420-450hz, and theres a thunderstorm on the way, so that might be it.

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