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Andy

Fri Jan 17 2014, 03:39AM

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Hi all
There is alot of voltage potential in the ionosphere that I would like to drain to a source on earth, for use.
The basic principle that I have so far is to move ground away from the ground plane of earth, to do that I'll be using tinfoil and plastic poly sheets to make thousands of capacitors in series, with the top plate haveing a large capacitance of 1-10uF, which will take the full voltage, it should be about 50cm high with about 1m2.
I was planning on building a inductor in the kilo Hernery range like the picture below, it should be about 1m2 with 0.5cm iron rod 10cm long , with approx 200turns 24awg mag wire per rod, with about guessamate 1000 rods.
This will be connected in "some way" to have the back voltage pointed at ground to low its pontenial.
Plane two is to use a MOT and a negative voltage doubler.
Haveing two rods of Al 5meters high with a sparkgap connected them at the top.
I need high frequency to make the leakage current through the dialectic of air, and above, to do that using some type of passive filter.
If I can't make the air radiate at high frequency I can make the fake ground, or real ground on the bottom thousandth cap thing have the frequency on it, with the tips of the 5meter rods, were the circuit is.

Cheers

Shrad

Fri Jan 17 2014, 08:57AM

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have you said HAARP ?

Andy

Fri Jan 17 2014, 09:05AM

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No I haven't, Cheers. Wiki has some info on what frequency they use, I'll see what the rest of google shows up. Got to get a negative sine wave generator working to test it out thought.

Proud Mary

Fri Jan 17 2014, 01:24PM

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Andy wrote ...

Hi
I was wondering if radio waves bounce off charged plates more than not. If you have two parallel plates and a radio source perpendicular to the plates, will the plates pick up the ac waves and make a ac voltage?

I was thinking that if you bounce radio wave of the ionosphere will the sphere start radiating ac waves.

'Radio waves' are electromagnetic (EM) waves, whose properties vary according to their wavelength. For example, Ultra Low Frequency waves (ULF) - which are waves having wavelengths of thousands of kilometres - are able to penetrate sea water, and so are used to send messages to submarines. They usually pass through anything in their path, without much reflection.

At the other end of the scale are microwaves whose behaviour becomes more and more like that of light as their frequency increases. These are readily reflected and so are used in Radar. A common general purpose radar frequency is 10 GHz, which has a wavelength of just 3 cm.

Your metal plates do not have to have any charge on them to pick up electromagnetic waves. If you connect a metal plate to the aerial socket of a radio receiver it will bring in a signal, because just about any conductor will have currents induced in it by the millions of EM waves all around us, and when this is done deliberately we call that conductor an antenna.

What you call 'radiating AC waves' are radio waves, so radio signals reflected back to earth by the ionosphere are necessarily 'AC waves.'

Andy

Fri Jan 17 2014, 05:31PM

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If there was a dc voltage on the plates would that add power to the ac waves, or make them have a high voltage. It probable seems crazy but was hoping to tap the voltage of the solar winds using the ionosphere and ground to form a capacitor and then tap it. Nickles telsa did a experiment were he sent a balloon with a wire high in the atmosphere to get closer to the top plate. Just hoping that if it was high frequency the voltage would pas through the air dietetic.

Thoughts?

Dr. Slack

Fri Jan 17 2014, 05:59PM

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Andy wrote ...

If there was a dc voltage on the plates would that add power to the ac waves,

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or make them have a high voltage.

no. If 'them' is waves, they don't *have* a voltage.

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It probable seems crazy

yes

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but was hoping to tap the voltage of the solar winds using the ionosphere and ground to form a capacitor and then tap it.

you can tap the radio waves with an antenna, you can tap the leakage currents from the ionosphere to the ground with a pointy thing on a kite or tower

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Nickles telsa did a experiment were he sent a balloon with a wire high in the atmosphere to get closer to the top plate. Just hoping that if it was high frequency the voltage would pas through the air dietetic.

You can hope what you like, but EM waves don't 'see' potential

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Thoughts?

Yes

Andy

Fri Jan 17 2014, 07:29PM

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no. If 'them' is waves, they don't *have* a voltage.

The plates have a voltage, the waves are just to make it resonant, like putting a piece of wire in a microwave.

You can hope what you like, but EM waves don't 'see' potential

But there effect that they generate can do.

you can tap the radio waves with an antenna, you can tap the leakage currents from the ionosphere to the ground with a pointy thing on a kite or tower

Tap the leakage current was the idea, but to have more leakage current, I was trying to make the ground plane and the ionosphere resonate at a high frequency(I'm guessing it will be dc), so has to make more current. It still won't be a pmm and i'm not expecting it to be, just thought it could be possible, the antenna I'm using picks up 50hz easily a slight tweak to say 500khz would/should beable to send a field up that high to form a capacitor.

Thoughts?

Yeah sorry you were right, its imposable. Dreaming to much

Ash Small

Fri Jan 17 2014, 11:40PM

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There is a potential difference between different points in the 'solar winds', ie between different points between here and the sun, for example, but it's DC. The same applies, I think to the ionosphere and here.

They recently performed an experiment between two space probes to 'test' this, and it's this phenomena that suggests to me that there might be other 'alternatives' to 'dark energy theory', but I'm going off-topic here.

Personally, I think that the only way 'long distance' space flight would be viable is if we're able to 'harness' some of this energy, but that's another story.

I'm afraid I don't have any links at present, but there are some out there.

EDIT: At least, to all intents and purposes it can be considered as DC, although it does fluctuate, and 'may' even reverse at times as it interacts with similar phenomena, or whatever.

Andy

Fri Jan 17 2014, 11:53PM

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I think Nasa lowered a cable down into the ionosphere from the shuttle and was able to pick up alot of voltage, not shore if it was from the friction.
Would a ac signal just superimpose on top of the dc, so no net increase or tapping?
Was thinking about useing the same design that the Aus do to listen in on the Russians sats during the cold war, the below is a rought outline ,thought someone might find it usefull, for 500khz receiver.

Ash Small

Sat Jan 18 2014, 12:32AM

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I've no idea how you could 'tap' into it

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