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Fiddy
Thu Jan 09 2014, 11:24AM Print
Fiddy Registered Member #8817 Joined: Mon Dec 17 2012, 05:16AM
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G'day,

Im Mitch from Australia, ive built 2x DRSSTCs, a PLL Audio SSTC, a normal SSTC and just recently a SGTC.

Now i want to pursue a bipolar tesla coil.

I need some advice;

Should i wind the secondary so i have a ground in the middle? or have it as one complete winding that is not grounded at all?

How do you measure the Fo of the secondary of a bipolar tesla coil that is not grounded? Ive done some reading on non grounded secondary's with this thing called ground reflection and 1/4 wave and 1/2 wave.

what coupling range should i be aim to be in? 0.1k - 0.2k? higher or lower?

Does JAVATC work with bipolar tesla coil principals?


Any help will be much appreciated.

Cheers! Mitch.
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HV Enthusiast
Thu Jan 09 2014, 10:31PM
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That's a great question. I've always treated bipolar coils just as two 1/4 wave resonators (two conventional tesla coils) built back to back sharing a single primary.

I actually did experiement with a few bipolar DRSSTCs. For the primary, I used a pancake primary - the same as with any DRSSTC, except the secondary coil was built as a 1/2 wave resonator, or a resonator that has roughly 1/2 the resonant frequency as a single 1/4 wave resonator.

I've done both ungrounded and grounded bipolar coils, and have found that grounded secondaries are a bit more unforgiving in that you will ensure that voltage peaks are not at the middle which could be very bad with regard to flash-overs etc...

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Fiddy
Fri Jan 10 2014, 01:53AM
Fiddy Registered Member #8817 Joined: Mon Dec 17 2012, 05:16AM
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I see, did you mean helical primary not pancake?

Do you know the testing procedure for measuring resonance of a grounded bipolar coil?

Ive built your microbrute and plan on using another microbrute board to drive the bipolar coil, do you think its up to the task?

On a side note, with your flexibrute midi controller, what is the highest note/highest switching frequency of the IXGN60N60C2D1 on the microbrute kit?

Im converting some songs to midi and need to know the frequency/note of which i shouldn't go higher than.

Cheers!


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Dr. Drone
Fri Jan 10 2014, 04:15AM
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Fiddy
Fri Jan 10 2014, 04:42AM
Fiddy Registered Member #8817 Joined: Mon Dec 17 2012, 05:16AM
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Wow thanks Dr. Spark, ive watched all of your video's and been over your website many times your coils are excellent! :)

Yes like that with keyboard or guitar or from your PC, ive written over 40 midi songs to be tesla coil playable and have ~50 other songs from other tesla coilers.

is the diagram below how i would measure the secondary resonance of a ungrounded bipolar tesla coil?

Bipolarresonance

Mitch.
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Dr. Drone
Fri Jan 10 2014, 05:07AM
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Fiddy
Fri Jan 10 2014, 06:13AM
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Oh ok sweet, do i attach the leads to the side loads? or have them near the side loads? wont the meter leads add capacitance to the system and fudge the readings?

made a clean version of the diagram you drew:

Bipolarresonance2


the board im gunna be using has only 60A IGBT's so ill use more turns on the primary.

Hehe nice why do they require significantly less power than other coils?

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Dr. Drone
Fri Jan 10 2014, 07:01AM
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Fiddy
Fri Jan 10 2014, 09:08AM
Fiddy Registered Member #8817 Joined: Mon Dec 17 2012, 05:16AM
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thats fair enough, yeah if you have a video id like to see it!

Hmm interesting indeed, i have a variac and can bring the bridge level voltage up slowly too.

So from the design stage, what Height to Diameter ratio should i look at? 4:1 or higher?

and what coupling should i go for, i plan on a 80mm diameter secondary.
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Uspring
Fri Jan 10 2014, 10:45AM
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Hi Dr. Spark. You wrote:

No ground needed..
Just a thought: Suppose at one side the arc hits ground. Wouldn't that cause a voltage spike in the center causing a flash over to the primary?

I really liked watching the bipolar at the WWT13. A beautiful piece of engineering smile
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