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GPS satellites suggest Earth is heavy with dark matter - New Scientist article

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Ash Small
Sat Jan 04 2014, 04:20PM
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I was trying to keep it simple, Udo, but yes smile
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Mattski
Mon Jan 06 2014, 07:20PM
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A rebuttal is also out there: Link2

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So why am I grumpfy about the New Scientist story? My real problem is that it seems to be a very preliminary bit of research announced by at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union, with no reviewed or published paper from its investigator, Ben Harris of the University of Texas at Arlington. Even the story points out that Harris’ calculation is incomplete:

Harris has yet to account for perturbations to the satellites’ orbits due to relativity, and the gravitational pull of the sun and moon. What’s more, preliminary data from NASA’s Juno probe, also presented at the AGU meeting, suggests its speed was as expected as it flew by Earth, casting doubt on the earlier anomalies.

Those aren’t minor problems!
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Ash's zeroing in on this point from the article is quite right, making a claim of dark matter without accounting for all conventional orbital effects seems rather premature.
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Tetris
Fri Jan 17 2014, 04:00AM
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Ash Small:

Remember. There's very little evidence that anything exists at all, yet we continue to believe in reality. But that's a topic for the philosophy forum, not 4HV, haha!
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Ash Small
Fri Jan 17 2014, 06:13AM
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ASHPoD wrote ...

Ash Small:

Remember. There's very little evidence that anything exists at all, yet we continue to believe in reality. But that's a topic for the philosophy forum, not 4HV, haha!

I know I exist, even if I'm only dreaming smile

We can 'measure' things, though. The thing about 'dark matter' is that, by definition, it can't be measured. We can't even speculate how it could be possible to detect it.

There is obviously a reason why the universe is expanding/spinning at the rate it is. I'm of the opinion that we've not yet ruled out alternative explanations, as I pointed out in another recent thread.
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Shrad
Fri Jan 17 2014, 09:02AM
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the latest theories suggest the universe as we perceive it would be a holographic projection of another dimensional universe

wouldn't it be natural that the idea of universe expansion would be the result of us prolongating the projection itself?

a projection would be expansible to infinite, so it would easily explain the perceived expansion
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