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Strange RLC Waveform

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Thomas W
Tue Dec 17 2013, 08:36PM
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the sinewave there is the input, the other wave is the output across the 3k3 ohm resistor.
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Wolfram
Wed Dec 18 2013, 11:05PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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Uspring wrote ...

The OP posted a band reject filter, rejecting the tanks resonant frequency.



I thought he might have measured across the LC tank, making it a bandpass, but you're right, he just confirmed that he measured across the resistor. The posted waveforms look more like what I would expect from a bandpass though, with a lot of third harmonic getting through and just a bit of the fundamental, but I'm a bit confused as the circuit he describes is a band reject as you say. Is there something else funny going on, is it a measurement error, or am I just misunderstanding the whole thing?
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Proud Mary
Wed Dec 18 2013, 11:57PM
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The distortion of the input sinewave is not evenly distributed, with much of the harmonic energy concentrated in the peaks. When these harmonics are blocked by LC, the output peaks are attenuated.
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Thomas W
Thu Dec 19 2013, 12:57PM
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Sorry, i said somthing wrong (i had destroyed the circuit a few days ago)

Okey, here is the facts:

Measured across the LC tank.
fo = 40Khz
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Uspring
Thu Dec 19 2013, 02:01PM
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The 12 kHz picture suggests, that the fundamental is suppressed and mostly the 3rd harmonic left over. Mysterious to me.
If the OP wouldn't have just confirmed a f0 of 40kHz, I would have thought, he got the inductance wrong, e.g. 2mH instead of 0.2mH.

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Electra
Fri Dec 20 2013, 09:48PM
Electra Registered Member #816 Joined: Sun Jun 03 2007, 07:29PM
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The reason I think it’s behaving like a band pass, is the output impedance is much greater than the input impedance (the signal generator output). Any magnification due to Q is mostly going to appear across the 3.3k resistor, As already mentioned along with a significant part of the input frequency. Differing phase shifts adding probably give the peculiar waveforms.
Incidentally using Q = r x ( square root of C/L) got the value of 74, with the 3.3k load.
Edit,
Not technically correct as the component losses are unknown and haven’t been taken into account so should have said Q wouldn’t be higher than 74.
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