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Conundrum

Sun Sept 10 2006, 12:06PM

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I also saw this in "New Scientist". For a change it is actually consistent with the laws of physics, however the force generated is fairly low, comparable with an ion drive.

One interesting note though, the research seems to indicate that a superconducting Q-chamber would be many times more efficient, as has been seen in particle accelerators.

-A

Marko

Sun Sept 10 2006, 12:15PM

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It is nothing new actually. You still have 'reaction' from radiation emmited. It has no mass but can still carry momentum.

It can even be parasitic in some cases; one theory behind pioneer anomaly

is that it is getting slowed down by IR radiation emmited from his RTG and reflected from his hull.

Recently launched 'new horizons' probe will try to investigate that more throughly.

Monstrous lasers are known to be able to 'push' small objects, and already known solar-sail drive uses solar radiation (and wind in some cases) to weakly propel ship forward.
Generated force is minor but presistent and can go practically forever.
Anyway gravitational slingshot and chemical drives still seem to be favourites.

Bjørn

Sun Sept 10 2006, 09:17PM

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The prototype is at least 4 years old, why has no one I know reproduced this fairly simple experiment?
Why is this company and great inventor using an AOL mail address?

Marko

Sun Sept 10 2006, 09:25PM

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I didn't actually bother reading that article fully as it loked BSssy.

Electromagnetic radiation can produce thrust and it still isn't 'reactionless' at all.

Problem is that force (either from artifical EM source or solar sail) is incredibly weak and probably not of much real use.

Bjørn

Sun Sept 10 2006, 09:44PM

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The claim is that the force is determined by the Q factor of the cavity. So if you manage get the wave to reflect a million times the force will be a million times larger. Then we use it to drive a generator and we have free energy for everyone. Sounds almost too good to be true.

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Sun Sept 10 2006, 10:20PM

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What a BUNCH of CRAPOLA!

Firstly, look at the website . . .
http://www.emdrive.com

I would think someone that is the brainchild of the next evolution of spaceflight, backed by academics and governments (as stated in the article), would be able to afford an AD-free web provider. Also, the AOL address is pretty lame as well.

Plus, his company, SPR Ltd - if you do a search on it via the UK company register, it states it is bankrupt. Hardly something i would expect from the scientific invention of the millenium.

Reaching

Sun Sept 10 2006, 10:56PM

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its nothing new actually, its just a source of electromagnetic radiation reflected by this huge conical thing and voila you have some thrust, very weak but it works. search for this laser experiments where a conical shaped metal lifts off just with the power of a few watts laser, by reflection on the inside of the conical flyer. i think there is some truth behind this story, not to mention that you need power and that its no free energy source or whatever, just a microwave oven with a funny case

Carbon_Rod

Mon Sept 11 2006, 12:58AM

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EVR makes a good point

Perhaps with a purely diamagnetic interstellar medium this thing would still likely not work.

=] lol

Bjørn

Mon Sept 11 2006, 01:41AM

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It seems like SPR Ltd lives here

and that whoever made

did not know the proper name of the company.

its nothing new actually, its just a source of electromagnetic radiation reflected by this huge conical thing and voila you have some thrust, very weak but it works.

It helps if you read the claims before you comment on them. The prototype is a closed system where no radiation escapes except waste heat.

search for this laser experiments where a conical shaped metal lifts off just with the power of a few watts laser

You can't lift anything with a few watts of laser. You need a very powerful pulsed laser that superheats air to generate trust. The conical shape is not to reflect the light but to concentrate it. In vacuum it will do absolutely nothing except fall to the ground.

AndrewM

Mon Sept 11 2006, 02:07AM

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BjÃ¸rn BÃ¦verfjord wrote ...

You can't lift anything with a few watts of laser. You need a very powerful pulsed laser that superheats air to generate trust. The conical shape is not to reflect the light but to concentrate it. In vacuum it will do absolutely nothing except fall to the ground.

So you don't believe in solar sails either? Or that photons carry momentum?

I believed in the microwave doodle until the Q factor bit; gotta have some exhaust.

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