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Calculating a tesla coil's resonant frequency?

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TwirlyWhirly555
Wed Nov 13 2013, 05:42PM
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Well im attempting 30AWG for my coil with a 200A 1.2Kv rated IGBT half bridge brick .

Even my little 2"x4" SSTC in audio CW mode would melt after a few minuets at full power , but that's at 550 KHz

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HV Enthusiast
Wed Nov 13 2013, 06:09PM
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StormInABottle wrote ...

Me wonders why anyone would attempt a class E tesla coil


Try switching a MOSFET or IGBT using a conventional bridge scheme at 8MHz!
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StormInABottle
Wed Nov 13 2013, 06:15PM
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Why would I do that when I can switch 80khz instead?
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Nov 13 2013, 08:36PM
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Class E coils are suited for high frequencies, over around 1 MHz.
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HV Enthusiast
Thu Nov 14 2013, 12:12AM
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StormInABottle wrote ...

Why would I do that when I can switch 80khz instead?

Well for starters . . .

1. Your magnetics, primary and secondary coils will be much smaller.

2. If you are audio modulating your coil, then at anything less than 3MHz you will hear an audible hiss from the harmonics of the switching frequency. At 4MHz and up, your arc will be perfectly silent and perfect for high quality audio modulation.
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StormInABottle
Thu Nov 14 2013, 04:53AM
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Did I mention that the primary is made out of normal wire. With rubber insulation?
And I might use 10mm wire.. Because the mosfets can go until 13000+ watts.
That is still experimental though.
How can I spread the primary over the secondary ? As I heard space between primary windings are not a good thing
And as I think. To make the coil draw more power then I need less primary turns.
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StormInABottle
Thu Nov 14 2013, 04:56AM
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Sorry for posting the same thing over and over.. Google chrome for ipad is alightly stupid..
Anyway. That seems to be it :P
Thanks for the help
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Uspring
Thu Nov 14 2013, 09:56AM
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Dr. DC wrote:
Yes, the Q in my coil is probably a bit higher. The secondary inductance is around 160 mH according to JavaTC. The coil ran at 80 kHz.
From this, the tank current part in your coil would amount to V/(2*pi*f*L), which is 0.75A rms. The arc current part is P/V i.e. 7kW/60kV = 0.12A rms. That adds up to 1.2 A peak, which is somewhat below your measurement of 1.5A. I believe the difference is due to to the coils self capacitance, which makes the secondary base current a bit higher than from this calculation.

StornInABottle wrote:
I will use 34 awg if i find it. 30 awg if i don't find it..
Redoing the calculation for a 300mH secondary at 80kHz leads to a peak current of 0.73A. That dissipates 250W in a 1k resistance of an AWG34 coil. Low eddy current and resistance losses are conflicting goals in terms of wire diameter.

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twist2b
Mon Nov 18 2013, 04:00AM
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Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

StormInABottle wrote ...

As I heard space between primary windings are not a good thing
I would say it is not a bad thing, often it's a solution.

I agree.. it could give interesting results! It would raise the coupling coefficient so you might need a larger Outer Diameter for your primary, but it could change the magnetizing inductance through to the secondary.

Lm = Lp(1-k)
Lm = mangetizing inductance
Lp = primary's inductance
k = coupling coefficient

I still don't think you should go down to 34AWG wire... I could be wrong though.
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StormInABottle
Sun Nov 24 2013, 06:28PM
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A 10 inch wide - 14 inch long wound with 34 AWG wire secondary has a Fres of somewhere near 56KHZ
If i place an aluminum duct topload. The ducting itself is 3 inches wide. And the major diameter of the toroid will be 12 inches. How much would that drop the Fres
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