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Ash Small
Sun Aug 04 2013, 01:10AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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I'd just start with what you can get, then work from there improving it until it cuts metal or whatever, but avoid the X-rays, etc.
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StormInABottle
Sun Aug 04 2013, 01:45AM
StormInABottle Registered Member #9252 Joined: Fri Jan 04 2013, 06:27AM
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The only reason i won't hook it up to some 3kw ZVS driver. Is that i'm freaking afraid of X-Rays :P. I'll be using powers ranging from 15 watts to 85 watts at 10 kv to 15 kv.
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Feathers
Sun Aug 04 2013, 06:12AM
Feathers Registered Member #10052 Joined: Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:31PM
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Low acceleration potential means low energy electrons that will scatter. I'm afraid you might be taking a misguided and somewhat dangerous approach towards charging people and playing with static.

When high-energy electrons collide with metals, they tend to produce X-rays. Aluminum foil and/or copper wire may not be a great idea if you're worried about this type of thing.

Even relatively low-voltage vacuum tubes produce enough radiation to be conscious of and careful with.
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StormInABottle
Sun Aug 04 2013, 06:42AM
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:/. Discouraging :/. Maybe a conductive marker?
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Conundrum
Sun Aug 04 2013, 09:35AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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So a 2 stage pump that could go down to 1 torr wouldn't be much good then?

Might be OK as a roughing pump though.
-A
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Proud Mary
Sun Aug 04 2013, 10:58AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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HighVoltageFeathers wrote ...

Just watch out, get above 10-20 KV acceleration potential and you'll start making penetrating-wavelength X-rays.

Low energy X-ray photons can cause serious burns simply because they do not penetrate and pass through the body. All their energy is absorbed by tissue, causing relatively more destruction. X-ray burns take a long time to heal, and increase the long term probability of cancer formation.
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Daedronus
Sun Aug 04 2013, 09:15PM
Daedronus Registered Member #2329 Joined: Tue Sept 01 2009, 08:25AM
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1 torr is a lot, a 2 stage pump would have to be in a horrible state to manage only 1 torr.
Probably not enough as a backing pump.
You want something below 400miliTorr for a diff pump, maybe higher for a turbo-drag pump.
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johnf
Mon Aug 05 2013, 10:10AM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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Alright you will not get a good enough vacuum with just a two stage rotary pump.
There will be too many air molecules left that will introduce space charge to dilute what you are doing.
You need a vacuum of 1x 10 to the minus 6 torr or better.
To avoid harmful x-rays you need anode materials of light Z where Z is the atomic weight ie aluminum good, tungsten bad.
no real problem until 20kV acceleration that is why most evaporation sources that are used in the semi industry stay below 20kV.
As for the tire inflator this is junk in the world of mechanical vacuum.
You will need a good two stage vane pump to back a diffusion or turbo pump. These require vacuums on their fore lines of better than 2 x ten to the minus 1 torr to work -Preferably better.
A 10kV @ 40mA electron beam ie 400 watts of heat in vacuum is beast to recond with.
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