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paris

Sat Mar 09 2013, 04:48AM

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After 110 years or so ...WHY do people still consider the Tower a wireless energy transmitter??
Tesla went to colorado to study lightning and HV power.

wardenclyffe was a non conductive wooden structure topped with a conductive hollow steel dome , hardly an aerial or even resembling 1

100 plus years of hind sight on broadcasting should be enough to demonstrate Teslas wireless energy over distance was a red herring (yes I know we got wireless)

.....IF you put on your tin foil hat for a sec.....
what if he was generating positive streamers to draw neg step leaders to his tower

all tall structures these days have purpose built lightning rod conductors .
they say it had a well shaft under it to give it a good earth at the water table.

itd be Teslas tower of power......station!

now tin hats off !!!
back to ya arcing coils...

Conundrum

Sat Mar 09 2013, 09:48AM

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Might have worked.
My take on this was that he was using a "plasma antenna" made from concentric glass tubes filled with argon.
This would extend upwards from the centre, and provide a low impedance path to ground, utilising the relatively strong glass as a way to avoid buckling.

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Sat Mar 09 2013, 04:10PM

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HAHAHHAHAHAH! You were watching that program on amazing machines weren't you! HAHAHHA.

They listed the Tesla Coil as the #1 "amazing machine" even though it's not really a mahine per say, it's more of a device. The rotary spark gap is a machine, they just don't know what they're talking about and are trying to ride the wave of popularity.

Tesla Coils are the "it" thing right now, everyone suddenly wants to own one, so cash in!

What is important to remember about this particular project of his was that it was not supposed to break-out at all!
People forget that just because it has a toroid on top, doesn't necessarily mean big streamers. To Tesla, discharges were wasted energy, and Wardenclyffe was a goal to not only eliminate discharge, but also maximize long distance power transfer.

paris

Sat Mar 09 2013, 08:50PM

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I just cant buy into the transmission of power thing ,it doesnt make sense.

a lightning rod is the only thing purposely designed and built to conduct enormous voltage and current . So as it is the lightning rod is a successful attempt to harness lightning who ever invented it.

Im guessing the full length of the path to earth is iron, copper would get fried.
this site must have exploding wire and no doubt using copper wire.

Tesla had patents for L rods also so it was part of his line of thinking at some stage

as for T coils , the big day out has been killed off here in NZ, there was a guy doing T coil exhibit but ...no more.
some rich dude here had a large coil installed on his estate as a peice of Art/tax dodge
,I think its the largest in the country ...of course, it had to be

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Sun Mar 10 2013, 05:55PM

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Try to remember that Tesla was genuinely interested in global power transmission, you may deny this, but it is well established in his "writings" (elaboration: his assistants took down most of this information, Colorado Springs Notes ~1899).

If he were not persuing power transimission, why would he be trying to reslove the natural resonance of the earth? Which he believed to be at around 7 Hz.

paris

Sun Mar 10 2013, 08:02PM

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**Ill admit Ive only read 1 book on Tesla...fantastic inventions of N Tesla .
I dont know seems the majority of tesla type info out there I kindve stay away from = ufo types

I think he achieved global transmission with the 3 ph network.
if he had a broadcast station ,then he would have to himself generate power weither coal or diesel or battery at that time. the only achievement would be doing away with dist lines, which didnt existat that time anyway

Im sure he wouldve been capable of coming up with a step down transformer for a L strike
then its the norm distribution lines to the consumer.
we all have power but its hard to say weither its from coal/deisel/hydro/nuclear/wind/solar or inverter, when arrives it pretty much seems the same ol stuff, as a consumer
nz we have all the above except nuclear

from his experience being an assistant to edison I dont think hed trust his own assistants enough to share his true thoughts.

Ive had alook into the 7hz thing (toooo much time on my hands)

geo mile = 1855.3786 metres (me cant do miles)
360 x 60 mins = 21600
21600 x 1855.3786 m = 40076177.76 m @ equator
299792458 m / 40076177.76 m = 7.48056 hz

Id say he was pretty damn close. this is just me stuffing around.

about the book its by adventures unlimited and they have alot of free energy books so Ive been reluctant to go near anything tesla

Scott Fusare

Sun Mar 10 2013, 09:49PM

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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

Try to remember that Tesla was genuinely interested in global power transmission, you may deny this, but it is well established in his "writings" (elaboration: his assistants took down most of this information, Colorado Springs Notes ~1899).

If he were not persuing power transimission, why would he be trying to reslove the natural resonance of the earth? Which he believed to be at around 7 Hz.

That's simply wrong. The Colorado Springs Notes were written by Tesla himself. They are still in print for those that care to read what the man wrote. In addition to that, I suggest all that Leland Anderson has published. In particular "Nikola Tesla on his work with alternating currents", which is the transcript of a deposition given to his lawyer during a patent battle. These are the man's own words, not some unreferenced B.S in a populist book.

Tesla was brilliant, he was also supremely arrogant and convinced of the correctness of his theories even though he eschewed peer review.

His interpretation of that famous observation of the departing thunderstorm on July 4th 1899 (which underpin the "correctness" of his power transmission theory) was wrong. Simple as that.

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Physics Junkie

Sun Mar 10 2013, 10:12PM

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Yeah stay away from the books are about "Free Energy Occult Magic Tesla Flying Saucer Illuminati Death Ray UFO Secret Government" labeled crap lol. When searching for stuff about Tesla you'll have to do a lot of filtering through that stuff. His autobiography is alright but that has even been "edited" many times and lots of information has been cut from it. But there is several good books. One in particular is called Inventions Researches and Writings of Tesla by Thomas Commerford Martin. The version I have is a giant yellow book. It's full of patents and his notes and all good information. Another alright one is called Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla by John J. O'niell.

Yup, that's right! The magnifying transmitter was the whole basis for Wardenclyffe. He believed he could transmit power by terrestrial stationary waves.

"What I now claim is: 1. The improvement in the art of transmitting electrical energy to a distance which consists in establishing stationary electrical waves in the earth, as set forth. 2. The improvement in the art of transmitting electrical energy to a distance which consists in impressing upon the earth electrical oscillations of such character as to produce stationary electrical waves therein, as set forth."...
-Nikola Tesla, United States Patent Office - Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums, April 18, 1905

"I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device.".
Nikola Tesla. Brooklyn Eagle (10 July 1931)
Think he was refering to his photoelectric cell

On the wikipedia it says that he also thought that electric currents flowing through the earth, related to earth resonance modes, can be excited. I havn't done much research to try and verify that he actually thought this, but I wonder what he was thinking and what he meant by 'excited'. Is this related to telluric currents perhaps?

Ash Small

Mon Mar 11 2013, 08:14AM

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paris wrote ...

I just cant buy into the transmission of power thing ,it doesnt make sense.

paris wrote ...

if he had a broadcast station........the only achievement would be doing away with dist lines, which didnt existat that time anyway

The 'popular' story goes something like 'Tesla wanted to distribute power wirelessly, but George Westinghouse asked him "where do we put the meter?".....so we ended up with all the cables instead'.

Steve Conner

Mon Mar 11 2013, 11:38AM

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The Wardenclyffe tower was going to be a giant Tesla coil of course. Tesla's drawings show a secondary coil inside the tower, connected to the top terminal.

We now know that Tesla coils are very inefficient for wireless power transmission over long distances, and his system couldn't possibly have worked, but we only know that in hindsight after nearly a century of experience with radio propagation.

The US Navy has a VLF radio station at Cutler, Maine, that makes the Wardenclyffe plant look like a OneTesla.

1MW ERP at 24kHz.

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