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lightlinked
Fri Mar 01 2013, 08:52PM
lightlinked Registered Member #2087 Joined: Tue Apr 21 2009, 08:32AM
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the easiest would be a SSR with zero cross switching built in. after that would be a triac driven with a zero cross optotriac. although the zero cross switching might be unnecessary
for snubbing i've added a TVS to a digital wall timer to switch a pump for a hydroponic garden, but i'm not sure how kosher that is but it worked. otherwise the turn off spike would crash the timer
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IamSmooth
Sat Mar 02 2013, 06:33PM
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I hooked up a test circuit with my triac and optocoupler to my solenoid valve. The solenoid was connected to 120vac. I used a 5v trigger to simulate the output from a uP. Worked the first time. Boom. (That's a good boom...not a chip getting fried boom).
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Steve Conner
Sat Mar 02 2013, 07:59PM
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Good! Now you know what's inside a solid-state relay, you might like to save time by just buying them ready-made. smile
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BigBad
Sat Mar 02 2013, 10:32PM
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Judging by the datasheet I just looked at, unless I'm missing something, that's pretty much ALL that's in there, so it doesn't sound like you're saving much with an SSR.
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lightlinked
Sun Mar 03 2013, 06:26AM
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I don't think you save much with one SSR vs. making one up to about 20 amps. but if you need many SSRs or more than about 20 amps, building them becomes cheaper again.
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Steve Conner
Sun Mar 03 2013, 09:02AM
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You're saving the time and effort of doing the snubber calculations/tests. If you buy a SSR and it doesn't work with an inductive load, that's the manufacturer's fault. You're also saving the labour of assembling the parts into a module. Those two savings are worthwhile for industry people, so we have a market for ready-made SSRs.

For really nasty loads, I've used back-to-back SCRs with the gates driven by pulse transformers. I apply a high frequency pulse train during the whole time that the SCR is supposed to be on, so if it drops out from a lack of current, it'll fire again at the earliest opportunity. I also use extra drive voltage and soak some of it up in a potential divider that presents a 100 ohm load to the gate. I haven't found a load that this couldn't drive. It'll "dim" vacuum cleaners, NSTs, rectifiers with huge filter caps etc. Total overkill. smile
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lightlinked
Sun Mar 03 2013, 11:01AM
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do u have pucks? lets see some big silicon
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Steve Conner
Sun Mar 03 2013, 07:42PM
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Biggest device I've tried was a 1200V, 92A dual SCR brick. I used it to make a controlled rectifier for my old OLTC power supply.
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Shrad
Mon Mar 04 2013, 08:32AM
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if one needs such brick SCRs, I have plenty to sell... 1200V 200A ones as well as smaller 60A ones
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Gabriel35
Fri Mar 08 2013, 07:27PM
Gabriel35 Registered Member #2310 Joined: Wed Aug 19 2009, 08:04PM
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Steve, how did you control the rectifier made with the SCR bricks?


Thanks!
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