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Steve Conner
Mon Feb 11 2013, 12:13PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Coronafix wrote ...

I like the explanation for the refraction of light, akin to the turning circle of a large wheelbase compared to a small one.
This is completely ass backwards. Light is not made out of cars. All metaphors from our daily lives fail when it comes to quantum phenomena, but this is a fail even by those standards. Light is light, and the whole universe plays by its rules.

I would rather the opposite, cars are made out of light. My proof: e=mc^2 and the movie Tron.
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Coronafix
Mon Feb 11 2013, 01:28PM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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What are you talking about Steve?
Light is light? Did you even watch the video, or is everyone judging the cover for some reason.
Of course it's not made of cars, that was my analogy.
There is so much that we don't understand so when someone comes along and overs a theory backed up with some laboratory evidence, I am open to listening.
He is not the first guy to suggest that matter is made up of some sort of toroidal geometry, but the first one I see that has some proof of how it might work.
Did anyone see the geometry of the field in the second video, shown using the mini compass?
That's not how I've seen regular magnets perform.
Oh well, perhaps I've wasted my time here for all these years, there seems little hope of discussing anything that doesn't completely conform to the priesthood.
I've been looking at the Electric Universe theory too, is that pseudoscience because it does not conform?
Answers a lot of questions without the ridiculous concepts that astrophysicists like to invent without any real world correlation.
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2Spoons
Mon Feb 11 2013, 09:41PM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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What waste of time? It IS being discussed. Clearly a number of members have watched the videos, applied some critical thinking, found some holes in the 'science' and are letting you know. Are you upset because not everyone wants to just swallow this whole and agree with you?
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Physics Junkie
Mon Feb 11 2013, 09:58PM
Physics Junkie Registered Member #7267 Joined: Tue Oct 16 2012, 12:16AM
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2Spoons wrote ...

What waste of time? It IS being discussed. Clearly a number of members have watched the videos, applied some critical thinking, found some holes in the 'science' and are letting you know. Are you upset because not everyone wants to just swallow this whole and agree with you?
Agreed.

You have to admit, you cant expect anyone to just blindly accept all this. It definitely IS interesting to discuss. But as people of a worldwide scientific community, it's hard to accept truth behind these theories without some other sort of published research and documentation (other than speculation and YouTube videos). No one is saying that it is a bad topic or waste of time
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Coronafix
Tue Feb 12 2013, 10:21AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Physics Junkie wrote ...

You have to admit, you cant expect anyone to just blindly accept all this. It definitely IS interesting to discuss. But as people of a worldwide scientific community, it's hard to accept truth behind these theories without some other sort of published research and documentation (other than speculation and YouTube videos). No one is saying that it is a bad topic or waste of time

Fair enough, but I guess that is the reason I am posting it. I don't see that it is that hard to reproduce and experiment with. I thought some coil gunners at least would find it interesting, given the speed that ball bearing propels out the end of the magnet.
But I haven't seen any interesting discussion, just a bunch of condemnation after someone reading the previous posts and half watching half of one of the vids.
I'm sure I have asked more than half a dozen questions that no one has been interested enough in answering.
Now I just feel stupid in wasting my time to reply to this thread yet again, but still I hit reply...

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Nik
Tue Feb 12 2013, 12:05PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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The speed that the ball shoots out of his magnet is a direct result of the energy he put into the ball. Did you see how he struggled to get it to the centre? That was him putting potential energy into the ball, like pulling a rubber band. You can make a number of different arrangements of magnets that have the same property.
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Mattski
Wed Feb 13 2013, 07:07AM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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I managed to watch about 10-20 minutes of the first video, skimming around. Maybe somebody who managed to watch more of it than I did can let me know, is the video anything more than a guy playing around with magnets and thinking that he has discovered something new without even bothering to consult conventional magnetic theory first?

I did not see any attempt to show how conventional science predicts a result different from observed experimental results.

I see no math or numbers. There were plenty of field diagrams without explaining how the diagram was derived. There was pretty plasma in a vacuum chamber. There was fun with magnets and ball bearings. No numbers, no math, no equations. Then in his head since some things have a similar appearance (like an arrangement of ball bearings in a magnetic field and a hexagonal graphene lattice, or his bowl-shaped magnets look like a bowl-shaped nebula) he thinks that "bowl-shaped" magnets must explain everything.

wrote ...
There is so much that we don't understand so when someone comes along and overs a theory backed up with some laboratory evidence, I am open to listening.
Can you actually explain your understanding of his theory to us? Because to me all I got is that he has some vague idea that bowl-shaped magnets are everywhere and explain everything, which isn't really a theory so much as a vague statement.

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Did anyone see the geometry of the field in the second video, shown using the mini compass?
That's not how I've seen regular magnets perform.
You vagely refer to a single scene in an hour long video and are surprised that people don't wade through an hour long video just to respond to your questions? =P Linking to the specific time in the video will get you more reponse.

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Someone show me a normal magnet that can propel a ball bearing like a bullet. Someone show me a normal magnet with the magnetic geometries this has.
I'll show you one. It's the one in the video. Why do you think it's abnormal? Magnets do repel each other.
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