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Daedronus
Thu Dec 20 2012, 11:02PM
Daedronus Registered Member #2329 Joined: Tue Sept 01 2009, 08:25AM
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2 psi is about 100 torr (100000 microns/mili torr).
Any 2 stage oil mechanical pump will easily go to 1 torr. (I'm not sure about dry diaphragm pumps).
At 1 torr you can use whatever materials you want, plastcs, epoxy, etc...
Below 100 mili Torr things get tricky.

I'm not sure how you come up with the 2 torr figure, why do you need a vacuum and not plain room pressure?
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Andy
Thu Dec 20 2012, 11:23PM
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I'm not sure how you come up with the 2 torr figure, why do you need a vacuum and not plain room pressure?
The electric field will accelerate the charge particles, say at 20kv to 83,876,580m/sec, but with the collisions at 1 atmosphere it drops down to 5032.5um/sec between collisions,kinetic energy of 0.000071eV, I need 15keV. If i could build 800kv power supply and the arc reach 0.5M degrees it should work, I think...
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Ash Small
Fri Dec 21 2012, 10:30AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Daedronus wrote ...


You would want a 100% oil free system if you make microprocessors or something, not common things.


I used to work for one of the leading suppliers of 'systems that make microprocessors' and, while we did supply oil free pumps sometimes, the vast majority of systems we supplied used backing pumps with oil in, although they did (without exception, I think) use a type of special 'Fomblin' oil.
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Daedronus
Fri Dec 21 2012, 11:01AM
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Back to the pump question, I would recommend a dual stage oil mechanical pump.

Newer and cleaner the better, but any should not have any problems to exceed the 2 psi requirement, in fact they should have no problem to get below 200 - 300 miliTorr.
If you get one used make sure to replace the oil with the proper kind.

Use any kind of 2 parts metal filled epoxy to make seals, but don't use silicone, the kind that out gasses acetic acid while curing. In fact don't use any kind of solvent or single part cure adhesive, because they tend to cure forever, outgs junk and they can contaminate the oil in the pump.

I would recommend to use a proper bellow connection to the pump, not a plastic hose.
They are quite cheap:
Link2
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Andy
Mon Mar 18 2013, 05:06AM
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Working on a new area, A MHD thruster for a rocket. Being looking over the forum for can crushers, will try it with 10 microwave caps in parrellel for the coil and 10 in series for the spark gap, only collected 5. Running the nst looks like the prinpcile works :), just getting the amps will be the tricky part.

If any one reads this, what would be the effect of 10uF at 1kv for a can crusher, and would 15kv 100nF work as one. Getting the coil and spark to fire as one might be a problem


1363813561 4266 FT1630 Mhd


Just a test, will try with some more amps, F=I*Length*B, Increase the length of the arc and more current should make more of a jet outwards

1363836302 4266 FT1630 1

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This is useing a MOT, with a voltage doubler, I need more caps.... The MOT is running 240volt 2.5amps, this is the volatge doubler, going to need to put a switch to stop power flowing into the caps just before firing.

1364024171 4266 FT1630 Setup



1364021278 4266 FT1630 Plamsa




From the first post having wire charged and in a circle pattern makes it spin, adding some magnetic to add to the effect. Will try with the caps and see how much amps min needed to make the arc get close to 90 degrees

1364553638 4266 FT1630 Zpinch

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Andy
Thu Apr 25 2013, 06:23AM
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The ordering of CCTO didn't go through in the amount I wanted, but found this site Link2 , the Barium Titanate is $222 for 5kg, which I'm hoping to build 14*2 caps for a voltage multiplier running the NST.

Below is a experiment into a fuser which I plan to run from the CW, and the vacuum pump from the 5 above post.

This projects pretty much on hold for the CW.


1366871027 4266 FT147892 Myfuse

1366871027 4266 FT147892 P1000214

1366871027 4266 FT147892 P1000216


1366871935 4266 FT1630 Fuser



1364553638 4266 FT1630 Cap

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