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Asymmetric Tricopter Build (Half Step to Bicopter)

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Ben Solon
Tue Nov 06 2012, 03:56AM
Ben Solon Registered Member #3900 Joined: Thu May 19 2011, 08:28PM
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Mattski wrote ...

Is the tail fan running continuously?

Yes, it has to in order to cancel the torque of it's weight and stabilize the craft.

Mattski wrote ...

It sounds like it tilts to provide yaw maneuvering. and I'm guessing it also provides pitch motion by varying its thrust.

Correct. They typically use a servo to rotate the segment connected to the prop

Mattski wrote ...

Do you worry about the angular moment of the tail fan?

It's negligible for the most part, but any rotational motion can be cancelled simply by using it's function. Provide a thrust vector that's rotational component is equal and opposite to the force exerted by the tip of the prop.
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Patrick
Tue Nov 06 2012, 03:57AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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1337 zoooom --- right over my head! DUH.


the advantage of the tricopter is:

(the main advantage is half the ESCs, props and motors to break)

-Field of vision for lidar (dont have to look through props)
-Better balance and i have rear and fore access for picking things up.
-with only two large fans theres half as much to break as a quad, the tail fan has taken 60 foot falls tail first
and not broken.
-the bicopter needs much heavier tilt mechanics than the single tail rotor.
-the two large front fans mean i can use bigger props for greater effciency.

the real purpose of the tail rotor is to generate the pitch authority, something the Bicopter must generate thjrough gyro-precession.

ps im druNk../
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Patrick
Sun Nov 11 2012, 04:33AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ok update and pics...


1352608379 2431 FT146004 Airframe
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Josh Campbell
Sun Nov 11 2012, 07:00PM
Josh Campbell Registered Member #5258 Joined: Sun Jun 10 2012, 10:15PM
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Looking good!
Where is the CG on your old Tricopter?
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Patrick
Mon Nov 12 2012, 12:30AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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2bytes wrote ...

Looking good!
Where is the CG on your old Tricopter?
Every flight was made with the CG about 0.9 to 1.2 inhces abaft of the CL, which was deliberate on my part, yet unwise... i wanted to make the machine balanced on the forward larger props. much like a Bicopter would be. this one will have its CG near teh orange battery.

the tail rotor, on several occasions, stopped spinning and the tri flipped and crashed.... (due entirely to the CG and GL being to close without suffcient throttle resolution.)
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Patrick
Wed Nov 14 2012, 10:15PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Updating #6, Look above.


1352931307 2431 FT146004 Ht1

1352931307 2431 FT146004 Ht2

1352931307 2431 FT146004 Nt3
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Patrick
Sat Nov 17 2012, 08:04AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Motor Mounts:


1353139491 2431 FT146004 Mm1
Templates, on 0.200" Bass wood.


1353139492 2431 FT146004 Mm2
Center relieved by 0.080" due to cheap chinese motors having an unpreditcable shaft length.


1353139492 2431 FT146004 Mm3
3 triganol planar screw pattern for 4-40 screws.


1353139672 2431 FT1630 Mm4
4-40 screws epoxied and ground flush.


1353139673 2431 FT1630 Mm5
Screws!


1353139673 2431 FT1630 Mm6
S-2 fiberglass coated to prevent splitting in crashes and to resist age and vibration weakness.
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