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PL509/PL519 vacuum tube substitution for plasma tweeter application?

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hsieh
Sun Sept 16 2012, 02:04AM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I want to build a plasma tweeter,but most design I found use PL509 or PL519.I cannot find it.Are there any substitution?(American tubes preferred) Link2 Link2

I also cannot find the equivalent 40KG6/6KG6

Can I use PL504? it is much easier to find in the location I live?
This is the schematic I am planning to use Link2

Thanks
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Sept 16 2012, 09:28AM
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PL504 is weaker, maybe you could get the Russinan 6P45S tube?
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hsieh
Sun Sept 16 2012, 11:29AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I cannot find 6P45S either.But I can find GU-50.Will this work?Or I need a different schematic if I use GU-50?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Sept 16 2012, 12:29PM
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I think the GU-50 will work, but has weaker cathode and lower gain, so you will get lower power output.
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Patric
Sun Sept 16 2012, 05:45PM
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6V6, 807...
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hsieh
Mon Sept 17 2012, 02:50AM
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If I use 6V6 or 807,Should I change the anything on the schematic?
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Patric
Mon Sept 17 2012, 06:06AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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hsieh wrote ...

If I use 6V6 or 807,Should I change the anything on the schematic?

I do not think so.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Sept 17 2012, 03:47PM
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The 6V6 looks like a really weak tube. The 807 is better, but still a lot weaker than color TV horizontal output tubes. The horizontal output tubes have large cathodes, can push huge peak currents, will stand momentary voltage peaks of several kV and the amplification factor is high too.
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hsieh
Tue Sept 18 2012, 03:46AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I have several 6146B tube.Can I build the HV section of this Link2 design and use the transistor modulator in this design? Link2

or can I substitute PL509 with 6146B directly?
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Steve Conner
Tue Sept 18 2012, 11:51AM
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I know the 6146B works in a VTTC: I gave some to Marko (actually the 6883B, the 12V heater version) and he made a nice coil with three tubes in parallel.

It would probably work in a circuit intended for the PL509, though it would be a good idea to use a higher impedance primary circuit, as the 6146B can't handle the current that the PL509 can. For the base-fed plasma tweeter, there is no primary, so just hook it up and hope for the best. smile
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