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Herr Zapp
Sun Sept 09 2012, 05:42PM
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Patrick -

All good-spirited fun, right, combined with useful technical information and references to first-hand observations?

Herr Zapp
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Patrick
Sun Sept 09 2012, 06:08PM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

Patrick -

All good-spirited fun, right, combined with useful technical information and references to first-hand observations?

Herr Zapp
i dindnt call you a communist to get in a flame war.
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Herr Zapp
Sun Sept 09 2012, 06:39PM
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Patrick -

No "flame war" intended or initiated.

All I was asking was:

1. If you've actually received information from multiple epoxy manufacturers regarding the use of Co2 for degassing mixed epoxy, please share the information.

2. If you've actually found silicone RTV sealants at your local (California) hardware stores that DO NOT use the "standard" corrosive acetic acid cure system, please share the information.

No flame content in that, and no obvious "inflated ego" content.

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Sulaiman
Sun Sept 09 2012, 08:15PM
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Maybe using hot CO2 is a cheap replacement for hot air which is 20% oxygen that may cause carbonisation of the epoxy ?
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Patrick
Sun Sept 09 2012, 08:43PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

Maybe using hot CO2 is a cheap replacement for hot air which is 20% oxygen that may cause carbonisation of the epoxy ?
I dont think that was ever implied by envirotex and or others.


Still for the purposes of the OP's thread its clear he needs vacuum drawn oil to insulate sheets like a capacitor.




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Microwatt
Mon Sept 10 2012, 02:39AM
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a vacuum pump cost money. I am doing the project right now with bubbles
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ConKbot of Doom
Mon Sept 10 2012, 03:37AM
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On the note of envirotex lite and vacuum pumps, if you intend on degassing it, it expands to ~15-30x the original volume before the head breaks. (I cant remember if it was 1 oz of A and 1oz of B that filled the 1qt container, or 1/2oz of each) It does degas nicely if you can accommodate the expansion

When doing thin layers, a butane jet lighter would probably be the best. (I dont recall seeing any amine blush on the surface from the moisture from the lighter, but i wasnt doing a big area where it would be obvious)
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Microwatt
Mon Sept 10 2012, 03:42AM
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but wouldn't heat make it cure superfast?
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Microwatt
Mon Sept 10 2012, 03:49AM
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wait i have a way of making real cheap vacuum purges click here
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mix it up and stick into syringe push plunger until all the air at the top is gone. pull until the epoxy bubbles up. release and repeat.
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Herr Zapp
Mon Sept 10 2012, 05:38AM
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Microwatt -

A "Mityvac" type hand-operated vacuum pump works great for degassing epoxy, as long as your container isn't too large, and units without vacuum gages (not required) cost less than $20. These pumps are readily available from automotive supply stores, where their intended use is as vacuum sources for testing vacuuum actuators and vacuum sensors.

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For degassing small volumes of mixed epoxy, use a glass jar large enough to hold a paper cup, and attach a tubing fitting to the lid to couple it to the hose from your hand vacuum pump. Fill the paper cup no more than half-way full of epoxy, place the cup in the jar, attach the lid, and pump away. The epoxy will initially froth and "boil", but will gradually settle down and will eventually stop bubbling.

Herr Zapp
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