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Power Radio Antenna Masts for Cars, Auto Raising/Lowering.

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Patrick
Fri Aug 24 2012, 02:24AM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Power Radio Antenna Masts for Cars, Auto Raising/Lowering.

Does anyone now how these work? i need to give a bot a longer reach to pick and at poke stuff, doesnt need to be very strong.

ive seen some rather worthless explanations of a "nylon cord" and gear, that winds up from a tiny motor. but is there a spring inside the antenna, as strings can only pull not push? right?

TY, Patrick
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Ash Small
Fri Aug 24 2012, 05:56AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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No springs inside.

I've a couple of spare ones but postage would be prohibitive.

I'd suggest going to your local scrapyard/vehicle dismantler and getting one to 'play with'.

(I'd reccomend an old Jaguar one, but others are probably similar.)
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BigBad
Fri Aug 24 2012, 01:52PM
BigBad Registered Member #2529 Joined: Thu Dec 10 2009, 02:43AM
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I used to have one, I've never taken one apart but it's reasonably intuitive how it works from the shape.

AFAIK it's just a somewhat flexible thinnish plastic rod wrapped around a pulley on a motor. When you want to extend it, it unwinds and pushes inside a telescopic aerial and that extends it. There's probably bearings/wheel things at strategic places around the pulley to stop it jamming.
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ConKbot of Doom
Fri Aug 24 2012, 03:00PM
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Rather than nylon cord, think more like thin, flexible nylon rod
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Patrick
Fri Aug 24 2012, 05:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ConKbot of Doom wrote ...

Rather than nylon cord, think more like thin, flexible nylon rod
ok like i said some of the explanations on the web were too simple to be useful... im off to pick-n-pull !!!
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radiotech
Fri Aug 24 2012, 06:29PM
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Look in Ham Radio sites, like QRZ. Screwdriver aerials are popular, and there are also
those who refurbish these units when the start to wear out. Also, with your high voltage history,
you might include a voltage sensor, lest your bot reach out and touch something that touches you back.
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Patrick
Sat Aug 25 2012, 05:27AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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radiotech wrote ...

Also, with your high voltage history,
you might include a voltage sensor, lest your bot reach out and touch something that touches you back.
perhaps one of those non-contact sensors for electricians.
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Patrick
Wed Aug 29 2012, 08:37PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok ive got a 34.5 inch stainless steel one on the way... ~14 USD or so plus some shipping.

im wondering how fast they can be deployed and retracted, and how much sag with 30 grams on the tip , in a -45 degree down angle. Also i cant wait to see how much force/torque it takes, im hoping a HiTec HS-55 servo will be good enough.

i have several of the HS-55 for my U-dar proximity/distance ranger : Link2

they work well for small low mass pan and tilts.
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Ash Small
Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:19PM
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Well, mine is 12V, has a 10A fuse, and takes ~5 seconds to raise/lower, so ~100W for 5 seconds.........
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Patrick
Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:25PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Well, mine is 12V, has a 10A fuse, and takes ~5 seconds to raise/lower, so ~100W for 5 seconds.........

i highly doubt its drawing 10 amps, even at startup... even if it is, 100 watts only suggests poor motor/gear effciency.

however, that 5 second remark has me worried. (well maybe 3-5 seconds is tollerable)



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