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smaller coils (and a 12MHz target)

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Marko
Mon Oct 09 2006, 10:31AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Soft switching helps them turn off.

With hard drivechips won't make more than 4-5Mhz with little load, and waveform would look gross anyway so it's better to turn it into real sine, while class E amp doesn't care about it much.
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ragnar
Wed Oct 11 2006, 07:12AM
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Here's the bastard-power-gatedriver-from-hell running well-synchronised at 12MHz, nominal 24V p/p.

Next I'll attempt to load it down with a FET.
1160550760 63 FT14290 Helldriver1

1160550760 63 FT14290 Helldriver2
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WaveRider
Wed Oct 11 2006, 08:19AM
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Hi BP.. That's the IXDD414? You certainly know how to torture those poor gate drive chips!! ;)
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Steve Conner
Wed Oct 11 2006, 09:08AM
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What supply voltage are you feeding it with at 12MHz? Did you say 24V? O_O
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Marko
Wed Oct 11 2006, 11:59AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

What supply voltage are you feeding it with at 12MHz? Did you say 24V? O_O

Why O_O? If driver can take it thet it's and advantage because less current will be pulled from it, as he uses a GDT anyway... cheesey

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ragnar
Wed Oct 11 2006, 01:06PM
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Hi WaveRider, Steve,
feeding them with 12V each, and input signals exactly 180 degrees out of phase (I found this quite tricky at 12MHz wink) that's the output you see there...

Matching it into a FET is proving tricky, but I'm working on it wink

Edit: re gatedrivers link, been there before, but thanks anyway, the other guys will benefit =-D
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Steve Conner
Wed Oct 11 2006, 01:06PM
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O_O because internal losses due to charging and discharging the device's own capacitance (what makes the device "Die unloaded" I guess) increase as the square of the supply voltage.

Edit: found some good information on gate drivers Link2
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Avalanche
Wed Nov 08 2006, 03:11PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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Thought i'd dig up this thread instead of starting a new one, or pulling the HF gate drive off topic too much...

I suppose I can now claim to owning a 12Mhz sstc, because I've managed to light tubes.

Interesting thing is, I am base feeding the secondary with only 13.8 volts into the final class-e stage - yet managing to get a fairly strong electric field, but no sparks (can't even draw sparks, it's equivalent to just shorting the load out).

To make it work requires a heck of a topload, for plenty of capacitive coupling from the topload to the copper board below (which is connected to the source of the fet / ground). I'm not sure it can be classed as a true tesla coil, because there seem to be 2 high voltage nodes - on the 'ground' and on the topload. More like just a series LC circuit connected between the source and drain, with a 'less obvious' capacitor. I can't figure out how to ground it properly, because it's impossible to ground the resonator rolleyes

Anyway I was quite impressed with what it could do, didn't expect it to do anything!




1162998698 103 FT14290 Img 3194 Medium

1162998698 103 FT14290 Img 3195 Medium

1162998698 103 FT14290 Img 3192 Medium
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Marko
Wed Nov 08 2006, 03:23PM
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nice, but you are going to need a primary unless you are happy with lighting tubes from few cm's distance.

Only thing you can try is to use highest possible input voltage for your mosfet (yes 150 volts) to get most power you can from such high impedance.



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Avalanche
Wed Nov 08 2006, 03:30PM
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cheesey yeah I'm going to have to give in and use a primary on this coil...

It's also nowhere near class-e operation so i'm jumping the gun a bit by saying I have a working coil, that's just me. The mosfet is overheating big time, so I don't think I'll turn up the volts yet.

I'll eventually get base feeding to work properly, one day...
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