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switching 300v DC into 800v

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moshik23
Thu Jun 07 2012, 05:55PM Print
moshik23 Registered Member #4537 Joined: Sun Apr 22 2012, 06:59AM
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Hi,
I am currently using an IGBT to control high-frequency pulsing of rectified 220vAC (300v DC) for charging a capacitor.

the thing is, i need it t charge the capacitor up to 800v. (600v would do as well)
I cannot use a capacitor voltage doubler on the AC, because i need a great current (that would require big capacitors, about twice 30uF film capacitors which are big )

I thought of pulsing the 300v (rectified 220v mains) through some inductor, to boost it and charge up to 600\800v.

how would you do that ? is it possible ?

Thanks
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mister_rf
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:12PM
mister_rf Registered Member #4465 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:37AM
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You may use a full wave voltage doubler.
e.g.
Power Supply 600 Volt

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Dr. ISOTOP
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:28PM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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moshik23 wrote ...

Hi,
I am currently using an IGBT to control high-frequency pulsing of rectified 220vAC (300v DC) for charging a capacitor.

the thing is, i need it t charge the capacitor up to 800v. (600v would do as well)
I cannot use a capacitor voltage doubler on the AC, because i need a great current (that would require big capacitors, about twice 30uF film capacitors which are big )

I thought of pulsing the 300v (rectified 220v mains) through some inductor, to boost it and charge up to 600\800v.

how would you do that ? is it possible ?

Thanks

Use a boost converter.
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moshik23
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:36PM
moshik23 Registered Member #4537 Joined: Sun Apr 22 2012, 06:59AM
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something very strange on this schematic -
follow the AC input,
on one half wave it makes a short circuit, and on the other half it goes nowhere.

anyways i am familiar with the full bridge doubler,
but it still uses capacitors to store the energy between cycles, and as the load draws more current, you would need larger capacitors -
this is exactly what i am trying to avoid -
i dont want to limit my charge current by capacitors.

right now i pulse directly rectified 220v AC.
if i set the control unit, it will pump with full 16 Amps from mains.
but if i use a capacitor voltage doubler, i would need HUGE capacitors to reach 16 Amps.
1339094185 4537 FT139616 Bridge
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moshik23
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:37PM
moshik23 Registered Member #4537 Joined: Sun Apr 22 2012, 06:59AM
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bwang wrote ...


Use a boost converter.

thats what i thought.

any clue to what inductor size and amperage i need ?
would it have to be HUGE ?
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mister_rf
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:55PM
mister_rf Registered Member #4465 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:37AM
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Oops... cheesey
The corect diagram:

1339095325 4465 FT139616 Power Supply 600 Volt Mark2
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Sigurthr
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:56PM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Why not just make your own step up transformer? 1:3 pri:sec ratio with heavy gauge wire on a large core will give you 660V at ~5A from 220V 15A. Then just rectify and filter and switch as needed.
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moshik23
Thu Jun 07 2012, 08:02PM
moshik23 Registered Member #4537 Joined: Sun Apr 22 2012, 06:59AM
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Sigurthr wrote ...

Why not just make your own step up transformer? 1:3 pri:sec ratio with heavy gauge wire on a large core will give you 660V at ~5A from 220V 15A. Then just rectify and filter and switch as needed.

that would be HUGE and heavy and expensive.

i'm trying to find a good solution for an non-expensive product.
a big transformer is the worst solution in this case.

any idea on the boost converter ?
would the inductor have to be huge as well ?
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brandon3055
Thu Jun 07 2012, 11:53PM
brandon3055 Registered Member #4548 Joined: Mon Apr 23 2012, 03:52AM
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It's not to expensive to rewind an MOT
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moshik23
Fri Jun 08 2012, 11:54AM
moshik23 Registered Member #4537 Joined: Sun Apr 22 2012, 06:59AM
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OK.
success.
i have successfully boosted rectified 300V DC into 600v.

now i'd like to add an option to go below input voltage.

buck-boost is a good option, but i can't find any controller or schematic for it,
do you have any idea ?

what about inductorless charge pump ?
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