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Tetris

Mon May 07 2012, 03:58PM

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I don't think 4HV would be blocked. 99.999% of the content on here is of our own, not an outside source. While the government logic might be that 14-foot tall Tesla Coils in the suburbs should be illegal, they wouldn't take the site down. Remember that dumb show on Discovery channel, "Moonshine?" It's an illegal activity, yet they still aired how to make it. This site does not have a huge amount of copyrighted material, except for probably some profile pictures. We aren't trying to make money for other people's work, unless you count building Steve's SSTC/DRSSTC drivers and selling them. Even so, I don't think Steve would mind, as he himself isn't trying to make money out of it. We technically aren't doing anything for the government to come after 4HV. I think it should be safe. What about the other sites we go on though? YouTube? Not that I use it, but FaceBook? Those have truckloads of copyrighted material, and are very likely to be taken down. I don't see why the videos that say "I don't own this content, So-and-So does, and I don't intend to earn money for this." For instance, I put up a video of my own animation, set to the "Eye of the Tiger" by the Scorpions. As long as I say that it is owned by the Scorpions, I believe my video should be safe. As long as I don't say "I own the Eye of the Tiger song," or try to make money out of my version, I shouldn't be affected. Point being, if the government is pissed off at copyright infringement, don't take down the entire site, take off the copyrighted content on the site, unless the site is a copyrighted content base. MemeBase, for instance (other than a pirate site) has literally thousands of copyrighted images, from 4chan, reddit, and those sites have copyrighted images too. That site, as much as I love it, might be taken down. Torrent site taking down makes sense and doesn't make sense at the same time. Sure, it is definite copyright infringement, but what? A million dollars a year is lost per multi-billion dollar company. WTF? It's like me suing a person for stealing one dollar a year from my dad's 300k income. It's silly, and the companies should realize that where there is a will, there is a way, and no matter what restrictions they put on Torrent sites, a new way to torrent will pop up. As technology advances, so does that. GorrillaVideo was taken down for a while, but I saw it up again a month or so again.

Anyways I think I created a wall of text. But I know for 99% sure that 4HV won't be taken down because it isn't violating anything.

Conundrum

Tue May 08 2012, 07:22AM

Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Actually, can we prove this content is our own?
A lot of common schematics contain one or more copyrighted circuits, case in point the series multivibrator is copyrighted by 4QD-TEC however they never enforce it.

Maybe we need to make it clear that copyrighted content needs to be either acknowledged in the thread with a standard type bibilography reference or not posted.

Ironically, the copyright issue is more likely than the "other" issue, because copyright laywers have more money than law enforcement.

-A
"Bother!" said Pooh, as electronics kits were banned by the EU...

Tetris

Tue May 08 2012, 03:41PM

Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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^
But can't one easily see the source of the image by going to Copy Image URL? Unless the person downloaded the image, uploaded it to imgur or something, and then posted a link to the image, you should get an accurate source. For some circuits, I don't see why one would do that, unless the image is very old and wouldn't come up with a simple google search. "555 astable multivibrator circuit," click, copy image URL takes a minute, versus digging for the image, uploading it, and then getting the link. So just posting a simple link wouldn't really solve anything much, because most copyrighted images were google-searched with a source link. Writing a bibliography would be too annoying for each google image you pull. You're not saying you invented the 555 astable multivibrator, you are just saying you used it. It's like making a video of a food you cooked (you didn't call it your own recipie, nor you didn't cite it) that you made from the instructions on the back of a packaging.

I'll finish this later, as my teacher is telling me to get on with my work... ironically it is a website design where we have to redesign a website... lol. We're not calling the info our own thogh :P

Conundrum

Wed May 09 2012, 10:06PM

Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Interesting.
BTW I wasn't joking about the electronics kits ban, according to Practical Wireless it seems that the EU are going to be pulling the exemption in both the RoHS and EMC Directives, so kits have to comply with both.
At the moment it is still legal to buy non RoHS parts for research and hobby applications but for how much longer?
Which sucks, because soldering with lead free is a lot harder and the otherwise perfectly good effective flux used is also getting banned (!) because it contains toxic compounds under the REACH directive that replaced the even more toxic halogen based compounds used back in the "good old days" before this lead free idiocy.
So damned if you do. and damned if you don't.

I have it on good authority that ISPs may also be banning laser related pages thanks to a few idiots misusing them during football games.
You know its bad when new optical drives carry a label marked "Removal of this cover is a FELONY!" along with the usual warnings about not staring into the beam(s).

-A

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