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Carbon_Rod
Sat Apr 21 2012, 06:35AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Adding GPS trackers like the one in your phone that can't be permanently deactivated is already common. The loss of Freedom of Movement is quite common in some places (remote shutoff, voice recorders, beatings), and similar to other forms of fascist policing ideology it will become law. The power to monitor peoples lives is becoming more important, as control of information is exchanged as a modern currency for oligarchs.

People need to stop playing games with other peoples lives, and mind their own delusional paranoid strategically biased half-truths. IIRC there was a time when only nonviolent criminals wore GPS trackers...
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These types always ask for permission first...
then they bribe...
then try extortion..
then threaten...
and historically... everyone will lose...


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Conundrum
Sat Apr 21 2012, 08:23AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Actually, there would be a market for a keyring sized device that detects hidden GPS retransmitters, covert cameras etc.
Call it insurance, but if you are concerned then this device will inform you not only that you are being tracked but where the device is hidden.
Handy for diagnosing problems with interfering devices as well, and also shows locations for wireless access points etc.

Ought to be fairly simple with a software radio chip, antenna array and screen such as Nokia 6610.

-A
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Ash Small
Sat Apr 21 2012, 10:40AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Mattski wrote ...

People have a right to give up their privacy in exchange for lower insurance rates. This isn't the govt invading your privacy, it's the insurance companies. I'd have a problem with insurance companies requiring black boxes,

As with most things, it's only a matter of time before they become compulsory. They always start with the 'option', then, through the normal media channels, start arguing that the roads would be safer, etc. if they are made mandatory.
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Steve Conner
Sat Apr 21 2012, 01:19PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Another thing to think about: Big Brother probably always wanted to do this, but the technology to do it cheaply only became available quite recently.

I see in the USA they're pushing for a federal law mandating the trackers.
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Conundrum
Sun Apr 22 2012, 09:09AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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This is a similar argument to the one for compulsory breathalyzers being plugged in France.
It seems that they are notoriously inaccurate due to the cheap sensors used, so many people are going to think they are fine to drive and in fact be well over the limit unless the equipment is calibrated every week.
This little "fact" is not mentioned by the manufacturers, who want to sell as many as possible.

A far better test is IMHO the "flicker fusion frequency" aka "is this light flashing" test. This also provides reaction speed information, which is far more closely linked to BAC as well as tiredness, influenza etc.

Case in point, it is quite possible to be so tired that your reaction speed is equivalent to double the BAC limit (35 here) yet if you get stopped and pass a breath test you are free to go.

-A
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