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Mattski
Sun Apr 01 2012, 09:33PM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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Many hand calculations and simulations for antennas ignore the resistivity of the metal at least for initial designs because it is frequently negligible. You could think of the antenna as a two-port connected to free space on its output - the unloaded antenna may have an infinite Q but when you connect it to free space you end up with a loaded Q because energy will be flowing into space as the antenna resonates. The fundamental definition of Q is the ratio of stored energy to energy lost per cycle. If you "disconnected" the antenna from free space by putting it into a resonant cavity you would end up with some sort of cavity resonator, and you would indeed have an enormous Q if you were using superconductors.
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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 01 2012, 09:56PM
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Mattski wrote ...

Many hand calculations and simulations for antennas ignore the resistivity of the metal at least for initial designs because it is frequently negligible. You could think of the antenna as a two-port connected to free space on its output - the unloaded antenna may have an infinite Q but when you connect it to free space you end up with a loaded Q because energy will be flowing into space as the antenna resonates. The fundamental definition of Q is the ratio of stored energy to energy lost per cycle. If you "disconnected" the antenna from free space by putting it into a resonant cavity you would end up with some sort of cavity resonator, and you would indeed have an enormous Q if you were using superconductors.

Ah yes, I see my error now! smile
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Tetris
Mon Apr 02 2012, 02:16AM
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Hm... better think of a different thing to work on in the future then... I was planning on trying to make induction efficient... I guess I'll study lightning then :P
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Conundrum
Mon Apr 02 2012, 06:07AM
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Considering that this was written as a speculative April 1st article, it seems that I might have been right after all..

-A
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Proud Mary
Mon Apr 02 2012, 07:45AM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Considering that this was written as a speculative April 1st article, it seems that I might have been right after all..

-A

You certainly had me fooled, André! I thought you were raving again, and was trying to help you out with a bit of science! smile
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Steve Conner
Mon Apr 02 2012, 10:42AM
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It's impossible to tell the difference between Conundrum's April Fool posts and his normal ones! smile
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Conundrum
Tue Apr 03 2012, 06:16PM
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Yeah, sorry for confusing everyone.
As it happens, superconducting resonator cavities could be used for novel applications, however the inverse square law still applies even to a laser.
This is why laser beams aren't used for wirelessly sending power, the beam spreads out far too much over any sensible distance.

-A
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Mattski
Tue Apr 03 2012, 10:50PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Yeah, sorry for confusing everyone.
As it happens, superconducting resonator cavities could be used for novel applications, however the inverse square law still applies even to a laser.
This is why laser beams aren't used for wirelessly sending power, the beam spreads out far too much over any sensible distance.

-A

Lasers do spread out but it's better than microwaves. I think a bigger problem is the low efficiency of generating optical laser power and turning it back into electricity. Microwave power can be generated at high efficiency with magnetrons or similar devices, and a well-designed rectenna array can turn it back into electricity at >70% efficiency.
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Patrick
Wed Apr 04 2012, 12:35AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

It's impossible to tell the difference between Conundrum's April Fool posts and his normal ones! smile
I refuse to post on april 1st after that london underground deal you guys got me on last year!!!

From now on no more posts for me on april 1st, so i can confidently mock those who get duped! cheesey
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